Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:05 pm

Carlsen v Firouzja, after an hour: Magnus has used only a quarter of an hour to Firouzja's three-quarters of an hour (no increments, I believe) and after 23 moves and lots of exchanges they're on a symmetrical same-colour bishop ending which I would just assume were drawn, were it not for the relative speed with which Magnus has got here. Does he know something?

(EDIT: David and Judit on Chess24 think the rat I am smelling is imaginary. Maybe Magnus just thinks bring on the Armageddon.)
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by Thomas Rendle » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:58 pm

It always *should* be a draw, but it's definitely not *just* a draw (as can be seen by the time spent by Firouzja in the endgame).

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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:22 pm

And so it came to pass - while I was out so I missed the excitement, but I am assuming 40...f4 was where Black lost it, presumably missing 43 Bd5

(EDIT: Chess24 say no, Black's 41st was the fatal error.)
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:14 pm

Chessbomb for some reason seems to have something awry with its clock times and three of the six players have, according to them, less than a minute remaining after an hour and a quarter's play. (Oddly, they have Carlsen right, where "right" means "agrees with Chess24". Mind you according to Chess24 Carlsen has been thirty-seven minutes on move 14. I haven't been paying attention, so is that right?) (EDIT: yes.)
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:25 pm

You (Justin) asked on Twitter what the longest is that Carlsen has spent on a move. Absent anecdotal evidence from Carlsen or others from his early career, there will be a lot of "move time" data in his games since, well, that data started being recorded. Though I don't know how much of the data has been kept, or where you would search for it (maybe in a chess games database?).

I tried searching for "thought for over an hour" in the hope that this comes up in some tournament reports, but no luck. Maybe it is the longest ever? You do get references to 'long' thinks of 20 mins or so.

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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:56 pm

He's not normally a time trouble guy and so I think particularly long thinks of his would have been noticed. So while I'm not (yet) saying it's his longest, (a) it may well be (b) it ought to be possible to establish whether it is or not.
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:40 pm

Carlsen squeezes blood out of a stone again, while Rapport is having maybe the tournament of his life.
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:31 am

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:40 pm
Carlsen squeezes blood out of a stone again, while Rapport is having maybe the tournament of his life.
Goodness, yes. Rapport has four wins and three draws in the classical part of the tournament. Gained over 18 rating points so far, and has reached sixth in the live rating list.

Does anyone think he can sustain this and become a regular feature of the top 10, maybe even reach 2800?

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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by Mick Norris » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:30 am

He's black v Carlsen today, then white v Nepo and black v Firouzja, so that might go someway to answering your question
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:06 pm

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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:21 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:06 pm
Eye-opening opening


It's been around for a while, the 1880s in fact. Tony Miles gave it a go in 1997.

You can also list the victims who didn't trust their opponents and played Nxe5.

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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:23 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:21 pm
It's been around for a while, the 1880s in fact.
James Mortimer, 1887

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:21 pm
Tony Miles gave it a go in 1997.
Wondering how often it has been played this millenium, since the modern history of the Berlin really starts with Kasparov v Kramnik.
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:09 pm

What was that quote about Nepo always having one real stinker every tournament
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:36 pm

Tari can't mess *this* one up, surely?
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Re: Norway chess postponed to 7-17 September 2021

Post by JustinHorton » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:58 pm

He cannot
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