good lines against the London System

[AlanLlewellyn]

[Event "Cumbria Whitaker Cup"] [Site "?"] [Date "2018.11.12"] [Round "2"] [White "Rashleigh, Jonathan"] [Black "Llewellyn, Alan Mansel"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "A45"] [WhiteElo "1842"] [BlackElo "1634"] [Annotator "Llewellyn,Alan"] [PlyCount "66"] [EventDate "2018.10.29"] [EventRounds "4"] [WhiteTeam "Windermere"] [BlackTeam "Barrow II"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 c6 3. e3 g5 4. Bxg5 $4 Qa5+ 5. Nc3 Qxg5 6. Nf3 Qa5 7. Bd3 Nd5 $6 8. Qd2 Nxc3 9. bxc3 d5 10. O-O Bg7 11. Rfe1 Nd7 12. e4 Nf6 13. Qg5 Rg8 14. exd5 Qxd5 15. Re5 Qxf3 $2 16. gxf3 Bf8 $6 17. Qxg8 Nxg8 18. Bxh7 Nf6 19. Bd3 Bh3 20. c4 O-O-O 21. c3 e6 22. Rae1 $4 Bh6 23. Kh1 $4 Bf4 $4 (23... Bd2) 24. R5e2 $2 Rh8 $2 (24... c5) 25. Rb2 Bxh2 26. Reb1 $4 Bf4 27. Kg1 Rg8+ 28. Kh1 Bg2+ 29. Kg1 Bxf3+ 30. Kf1 Rh8 $4 (30... Ng4) 31. Ke1 Rh1+ 32. Bf1 Ne4 33. Rxb7 $4 Bd2# 0-1
Matt this shows that even a piece up the weaknesses of the black king white can mount a strong counter attack i had to play well to get the win-actually i have won the piece a few times, jonathan implied he thought i was a rubbish player thats why he fell for it!!! of course you know jonathan matt,

[Matt Mackenzie]

Was the above game played at Barrow? If so then I might well have watched it at the time.

[AlanLlewellyn]

Was the above game played at Barrow? If so then I might well have watched it at the time.

yes it was at Barrow, you didnt play in the team though i dont think but i may have shown you the game another day, do you have a database of your games?

[AlanLlewellyn]

did you know matt bridgeman on here was from arnside? Matt mack

[Simon Rogers]

did you know matt bridgeman on here was from arnside? Matt mack

Matt B moved from Arnside to Lancaster in the last couple of years.

[Francis Fields]

If you play the London System then Black can play the Benoni.

[Roger de Coverly]

If you play the London System then Black can play the Benoni.

Black can try the move order 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Bf4 c5, or 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 c5. You cannot force White to go for a Benoni structure with d5, even if it can be favourable.

Those intent on their system regardless will just play e3 or c3 aiming for the usual pawn triangle on c3, d4 and e3.

Still, if you want to avoid being move ordered into a Pirc 150 attack lookalike, playing .. c5 is one of the approaches.

I'm thinking of the lines that might go 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 . Alternatively the same thing a move later with 2. Nf3 thrown in.

[Chris Goodall]

Black can try the move order 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Bf4 c5, or 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 c5. You cannot force White to go for a Benoni structure with d5, even if it can be favourable.

If you want to really rule out the London and you don't mind the d5 advance, I think you have to go 1.d4 c5!?

2.e3 cd is an Exchange Caro-Kann. 2.c3 cd is an Exchange Slav.

[NickFaulks]

If you want to really rule out the London and you don't mind the d5 advance, I think you have to go 1.d4 c5!?

The trouble is that most people do mind 2.d5, and for good reason.

[JustinHorton]

Sure I've seen this book mentioned on here before [EDIT: it's on the second page of this thread] though not (as far as I can see) on this thread.



I've not seen it - is it any good?

[John Upham]

Sure I've seen this book mentioned on here before [EDIT: it's on the second page of this thread] though not (as far as I can see) on this thread.



I've not seen it - is it any good?

This is a most excellent no-nonsense book free of the ridiculous evangelism and flawed propaganda that has come hand-in-hand with some London System books of recent times. Not to mention many YouTube videos that are somewhat economical with the truth.

[JustinHorton]

Well I ordered it and have been flicking through it this week.

[John Upham]

Well I ordered it and have been flicking through it this week.

Opinion?

LS fanatics have revised their move order to

1. d4 d5 2.Lf4 Sf6 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Sc6 5.Sd2

which is now one of the trendy ways to go deferring Sf3 to help avoid b2 issues.

[JustinHorton]

Well, that was one of my reasons for buying, as previously I've been winging it where White delays Nf3. So we'll see how it goes.

[Chris Goodall]

LS fanatics have revised their move order to

1. d4 d5 2.Lf4 Sf6 3.e3 c5 4.c3 Sc6 5.Sd2

which is now one of the trendy ways to go deferring Sf3 to help avoid b2 issues.

Black scores brilliantly after 2.Bf4 c5 3.e3 cxd4. Can't develop the bishop outside the pawn chain if I take away your pawn chain