Confusing Openings

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by MJMcCready » Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:04 pm

AliReza opened with 1 Nc3 today against Nepo.

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Peter Ackley » Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:58 am

Some years ago I went through a brief phase of playing the Schliemann over the board. Being paired as white against a strong 1.d4 player with a little preparation I managed the following move order:

1.e4 e6 2.Qe2 e5 3.Qd1 Nf6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.f4

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Roger de Coverly » Mon Jan 29, 2024 12:28 pm

Peter Ackley wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:58 am
1.e4 e6 2.Qe2 e5 3.Qd1 Nf6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.f4
In similar vein there''s a Latvian madhouse which starts


The reversed version of this position can arise from the Alekhine


The position at move 3 can also arise from a Kings Gambit 1. e4 e5 2. f4 Nf6 3. d3 or from 1. e4 e5 2. d3 Nf6 3. f4

Engines however suggest that the Knight can be taken by White at move 5 with advantage. The 1. e4 e5 2. d3 move order is one of the systems tried by Mike Surtees.

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Jan 29, 2024 10:16 pm

A club colleague of mine confused everybody by playing 1.e4 Nf6, 2.f3 - black thought, "I am playing an idiot" and went 2....e5, only to see 3.f4. As our player played the Latvian as black, he had a position he knew, whereas black probably didn't...

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Jonathan Rogers » Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:19 pm

A small number of Latvian Gambit games actually start with 1 Nf3 f5 2 e4 e5!

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:32 pm

I did beat Short with 1.Nc3, so I have a soft spot for it.

Admittedly, he was barely out of nappies,,,

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:44 pm

I was helping a new member at a club, who lost to quite an experienced player (1800ish), having played 1.Nc3. The experienced player criticized 1.Nc3 quite severely. Imagine the look on his face when he had black against me a couple of weeks later, and I played 1.Nc3...

Luckily I won. The new player was encouraged.

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Nick Ivell » Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:37 pm

By the way, re the above: I would say that 3. Qd1 is a bit of a joke.

White should be playing for something!

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Nick Burrows » Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:03 pm

I had a 4ncl game several years back, which went 1.f4 e5 2.e4, when my opponent sank into thought as he didn't have 1.e4 e5 in his black repertoire.

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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by John Upham » Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:07 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:37 pm
By the way, re the above: I would say that 3. Qd1 is a bit of a joke.

White should be playing for something!
Would it be enough of a joke to be defaulted by Stewart Reuben?
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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:10 pm

Nick Burrows wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:03 pm
I had a 4ncl game several years back, which went 1.f4 e5 2.e4, when my opponent sank into thought as he didn't have 1.e4 e5 in his black repertoire.
I pulled that off a few times when I played 1 f4 as my "reserve" opening (as opposed to my usual 1 e4) in my 1980s youth.
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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by NickFaulks » Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:37 pm

Nick Ivell wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:37 pm
By the way, re the above: I would say that 3. Qd1 is a bit of a joke.
I don't agree. It is entirely possible that Black now wishes he could play 3...e5-e6, if only it were legal.
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Re: Confusing Openings

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:06 am

I played that 1 e4 Nf6 2.f3 line for years. Good fun although it never quite 'felt' like a Latvian if you know what I mean (or maybe not, half the time even I do not know what I mean.) It is just odd. The same way a reversed Dragon seems not quite right. The g2 Bishop never seems as fearsome as the g7 Bishop. (yes?...no?..or is it's just me,)

I like that 1.e4 e6 2.Qe2 e5 3.Qd1 line. Black might think 'here is a duffer' and play a Reversed Danish and White will convince Black they are a duffer when they flick out a perfectly playable Qe2 for the second time in five moves.

Danish 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 Qe7



Danish Reversed 1. e4 e6 2. Qe2 e5 3. Qd1 d5 4. exd5 c6 5. Qe2 *



https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.p ... result=0-1 has some nice Black wins with 3...Qe7.

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