Chess history trivia

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:27 pm

John Francis Welsh, apparently. Not a name I've come across before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Welsh_%28bishop%29

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:29 pm

Which notable Yorkshire player was born on 2 November 1861?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Upham » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:48 pm

John Townsend wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:29 pm
Which notable Yorkshire player was born on 2 November 1861?
https://mannchess.org.uk/People/Wainwri ... Edward.htm
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:54 pm

Yes, well done, John. That didn't take you long.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:58 pm

Interesting link, may well be familiar to our Ilkley forumites, but I was intrigued by the mention of Chorley (as well as wondering why John T asked the question)
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Upham » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:02 pm

John Townsend wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2023 4:54 pm
Yes, well done, John. That didn't take you long.
I claim no credit. 'twas Google that led me to the answer.

Questions on non-searchable material are more challenging.

If an idiot such as myself can produce an answer that I did not know before using a search engine then....
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Tue Jun 27, 2023 5:13 pm

Mick, you wondered why I asked the question. It was to find out whether the forumites would know the answer. I was expecting that they would, as they are good in some areas, but probably less good as you go further backwards in time. In fact, I'm a bit concerned that study of 19th century chess history is becoming neglected, compared with, say, twenty years ago.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Mick Norris » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:31 pm

I am glad you asked the question John, my diversion into history of Chorley was more interesting for me than the chess, sorry
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Richard James » Tue Jun 27, 2023 6:53 pm

I've written a series of articles on George Edward Wainwright as part of my Minor Pieces series on British Chess News.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Tim Harding » Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:39 pm

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Tue Jun 27, 2023 3:27 pm
John Francis Welsh, apparently. Not a name I've come across before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Welsh_%28bishop%29
While principal of the theological college in Warminster, Welsh played the following interesting little game against Blackburne (who was blindfold).

[Event "Trowbridge blindfold simul"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1901.11.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Blackburne, Joseph Henry"]
[Black "Welsh, John Francis rev"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B01"]
[Annotator "Belfast News-Letter 5/12/1901"]
[PlyCount "42"]
[EventDate "1901.11.??"]
[EventType "simul"]
[EventRounds "6"]
[SourceTitle "Blackburne-2023"]
[Source "Tim Harding"]
[SourceDate "2023.06.22"]
[SourceVersion "1"]
[SourceVersionDate "2023.06.22"]
[SourceQuality "1"]

{Belfast News-Letter, 5 Dec 1901, from the Morning Post.} 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3.
Nc3 Qd8 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 c6 6. h3 Bxf3 7. Bxf3 Qc7 8. O-O Nd7 9. d4 e6 10. Qe2
Be7 11. d5 {Initiating a deep combination. Considering that Mr. Blackburne was
playing five other games blindfold at the same time, it is really marvellous
that he was able to see his way through the complications of the position.}
exd5 12. Bxd5 cxd5 13. Nxd5 Qc5 (13... Qd6 14. Rd1 {Threat Bf4}) 14. c4 {
White now threatens a very powerful move in b2-b4.} Rc8 15. Bf4 {Again very
subtle. There seems to be no safety for Black in any case, though moving the
King is probably the most promising course.} Qxc4 16. Rac1 {This is the
culminating move, forcing Black to capture the Queen.} Qxe2 17. Rxc8+ Bd8 18.
Bc7 f5 19. Rxd8+ Kf7 20. Rxd7+ Ke6 21. Rd6+ Kf7 (21... Kf7 {
At this point Black, presumably having to leave, proposed a draw, which was
accepted, though Mr. Blackburne thought that} 22. Nf4 {would probably win. We
are decidedly of that opinion. White is threatening Rd7+, and if Black moves
his Queen to prevent this White, among other possibilities, may move Rd8,
holding the Black pieces and retaining a strong attack. The position deserves
close attention, and it is a pity the game was not carried further.} (22. Rd7+
$145 {would force perpetual check or the recovery of the sacrificed material?})
) 1/2-1/2
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:31 am

In which town/city did Blackburne perform a simul on November 4th 1880?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Upham » Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:11 am

MJMcCready wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2023 12:31 am
In which town/city did Blackburne perform a simul on November 4th 1880?
Was it Blackburn by any chance?
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:15 am

I think his name is Joseph Henry Blackburne isn't it, a.k.a 'the black death'.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:16 am

Oh sorry I take your point. No not Blackburn, much further south.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Upham » Wed Jun 28, 2023 10:20 am

MJMcCready wrote:
Wed Jun 28, 2023 9:16 am
Oh sorry I take your point. No not Blackburn, much further south.
Bolton?
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