Chess history trivia

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:11 pm

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
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Yesterday was the tenth anniversary of the death of the well known London player Sandys Dickinson (1950-2014). What did he have in common with the first official British Champion, Cecil De Vere (1846-1875)?
They both ran second-hand bookshops (or sold books)?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:18 pm

Both born on Valentine's Day?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:20 pm

No, but very close!

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:25 pm

John Townsend wrote:
Fri Jan 19, 2024 12:18 pm
Both born on Valentine's Day?
Actually I said no, but maybe you're right since his birth was registered in the first quarter of 1950. The answer I was thinking of was that both Cecil De Vere and Sandys Dickinson had a middle name of Valentine. Sandys' full name was Sandys Valentine Forster Dickinson. I guess there's a pretty good chance that the "Valentine" was because he was born on the 14th February.

Whilst looking through some random old material a few days ago I found a report of Middlesex III vs Middlesex IV county match played in October 1986. The strength of the Middlesex IV team was incredible - Top board was Robert Willmoth (he'd have been 19 years old), followed by Mark Lyell, Sandys Dickinson, Robert Kane, George Szaszvari, Nigel Alldritt etc. They still got soundly beaten by Middlesex III though.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:30 pm

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:

"The answer I was thinking of was that both Cecil De Vere and Sandys Dickinson had a middle name of Valentine."

They both had Valentine as a forename. In the case of De Vere, it was not a middle name, but was his first name.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:53 am

Who was the first player to have been granted a patent for a mechanically operated chess board, which printed the moves and controlled the clocks?

(P.S. Anyone answering "Brian Eley" is just an optimist.)

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:11 pm

Arthur Fey?

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Post by John Townsend » Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:22 pm

Kevin, a very good reply. As you pointed out in your book, A History of Chess in the English Civil Service, Fey did invent a self-recording chess board. It's not quite the right answer, though, in every respect.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Townsend » Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:23 am

Answer: Lala Raja Babu

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:27 am

That's impressive for 1906...

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:39 am

John Townsend wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:23 am
Answer: Lala Raja Babu
I read through the patent here:

https://patents.google.com/patent/US810899A/en

It sounds like it would have worked in principle. I wonder how many working prototypes were made and how much it got modified (I have not read the follow ups).

The 1906 patent I read seems not to record the starting square of the piece moved, so would not accurately record ambiguous rook or knight moves. It also seems not to be able to record any form of castling, but does allow for promotion of pawns. The insistence on recording the identity of captured pieces is superfluous. As Kevin said, though, impressive for 1906.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:48 pm

Apparently he got UK and French patents as well. It may well be that he never made a working model.

e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Paul_Pedrick

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Upham » Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:10 pm

Which variation could, if punished, result in the wearing of a scold's bridle?

Who was (allegedly) it named after?
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Paul Habershon » Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:56 am

John Upham wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:10 pm
Which variation could, if punished, result in the wearing of a scold's bridle?

Who was (allegedly) it named after?
My guess:
the Gossip variation of the Torre attack, named after George Gossip, active in the second half of the nineteenth century and quite a character.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Upham » Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:02 am

Paul Habershon wrote:
Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:56 am
John Upham wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:10 pm
Which variation could, if punished, result in the wearing of a scold's bridle?

Who was (allegedly) it named after?
My guess:
the Gossip variation of the Torre attack, named after George Gossip, active in the second half of the nineteenth century and quite a character.
Excellent and fully correct answer Paul. A special prize is winging its way to you.
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