Chess history trivia

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:32 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
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Christopher Kreuzer wrote:
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Would it give it away to ask whether the Anglican Bishop was a bishop in the UK or not? Am trying to work out which group is larger, the living former Anglican bishops, or the living former FIDE officials?
It might give it away if I answered your question.
Would I be correct in thinking there was a link with the Bishop and Riding?

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:21 pm

Matthew Turner wrote:
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Would I be correct in thinking there was a link with the Bishop and Riding?
As there is with the East. Well done.

Feel free to post the answer.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:28 pm

Has this thread turned into The Times cryptic crossword puzzle thread? :evil:

In a vain attempt to make sense of the cryptic clues, I could only come up with this...
"Bishop Burton is a village and civil parish in the East Riding of Yorkshire".
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:30 pm

You are getting close, but I think that Matthew is ahead of you.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by J T Melsom » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:03 pm

A Riding with more than one Bishopric! I won't spoil the puzzle for those still pondering.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Upham » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:52 am

David,

Are you able to perform "the big reveal" or will Matthew do the honours?

Who is the ex=FIDE Official?
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Matthew Turner » Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:58 am

varied tart DJ

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by David Sedgwick » Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:11 am

John Upham wrote:
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David,

Are you able to perform "the big reveal" or will Matthew do the honours?

Who is the ex=FIDE Official?
Matthew and Jonathan M have left the task to me, so here goes.

David Jarrett was BCF President from 1985 to 1989 and a FIDE Official from 1996 until (?)2014, initially as Treasurer and subsequently as Executive Director.

His brother Martyn Jarrett was (C of E) Bishop of Beverley, the county town of the East Riding of Yorkshire, from 2000 to 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Jarrett

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by David Sedgwick » Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:15 am

Thanks to everyone who responded to my challenge.

I hadn't expected it to be as time consuming as it was. I am a fairly regular frequenter of this Forum anyway, but I had to come here more often than usual to see if there had been any further posts in the thread.

So grateful thanks also to those who gave up their time to pose and respond to the previous challenges in the thread.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by John Upham » Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:06 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:11 am
John Upham wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 10:52 am
David,

Are you able to perform "the big reveal" or will Matthew do the honours?

Who is the ex=FIDE Official?
Matthew and Jonathan M have left the task to me, so here goes.

David Jarrett was BCF President from 1985 to 1989 and a FIDE Official from 1996 until (?)2014, initially as Treasurer and subsequently as Executive Director.

His brother Martyn Jarrett was (C of E) Bishop of Beverley, the county town of the East Riding of Yorkshire, from 2000 to 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyn_Jarrett

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:29 am

I'm asking this one because I don't know the answer to this two-part question. Who was the first world champion to have an official rating and what was it? By this I don't mean a rating applied retrospectively, one actually granted at the time.

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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:29 am

MJMcCready wrote:
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I'm asking this one because I don't know the answer to this two-part question. Who was the first world champion to have an official rating and what was it?
Elo's first ( unofficial ) list appeared in 1967, when Spassky was champion ( 2670, 1= with Fischer ). Previous champions going back to Botvinnik were on it.

edit : The move from "unofficial" to "official" looks seamless, so it isn't clear to me which the first "official" list actually was. The 1967 list was calculated from recent results.
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:54 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:29 am
MJMcCready wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:29 am
I'm asking this one because I don't know the answer to this two-part question. Who was the first world champion to have an official rating and what was it?
Elo's first ( unofficial ) list appeared in 1967, when Spassky was champion ( 2670, 1= with Fischer ). Previous champions going back to Botvinnik were on it.

edit : The move from "unofficial" to "official" looks seamless, so it isn't clear to me which the first "official" list actually was. The 1967 list was calculated from recent results.
I can't give chapter and verse, but I have a recollection that the first "official" list was the one issued on 1st January 1970. I remember ratings being quoted for the Match of the Century.

Edit: John McKenna suggests in another thread that the first official list was the one issued on 1st January 1971.
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:11 pm

What links the encounter Foerder (also known as Porath) v Alekhine at the 1935 Warsaw Olympiad, and the correspondence game Simagin v Sokolsky from circa 1965/66? The dates might just be a clue here to the initiated......
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Re: Chess history trivia

Post by Tim Harding » Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:55 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:11 pm
What links the encounter Foerder (also known as Porath) v Alekhine at the 1935 Warsaw Olympiad, and the correspondence game Simagin v Sokolsky from circa 1965/66? The dates might just be a clue here to the initiated......
Was the Alekhine game the first to be published by B.H. Wood in his Chess magazine? (I see from the Skinner and Verhoeven magnum opus that it was on pages 7-8 of volume 1).

SImagin v Sokolsky (one of at least three they played by post) was the first game in volume 1 of Sahovski Informator.

Incidentally White played b2-b3 early in both games.
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