Time control Ostend 1905?

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MSoszynski
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Time control Ostend 1905?

Post by MSoszynski » Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:58 am

What was the time control of the Ostend 1905 main tournament?

I thought that in that era it would've been at 30 moves or possibly 36, but one game I'm looking at (Tarrasch-Blackburne) suggests that the players were struggling/repeating as they approached their 40th moves.

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Re: Time control Ostend 1905?

Post by Ian Jamieson » Thu Sep 07, 2023 1:22 pm

MSoszynski wrote:
Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:58 am
What was the time control of the Ostend 1905 main tournament?

I thought that in that era it would've been at 30 moves or possibly 36, but one game I'm looking at (Tarrasch-Blackburne) suggests that the players were struggling/repeating as they approached their 40th moves.
I don’t know what the time control of the Ostend 1905 main tournament was but the time control at the Barmen Hauptturnier 1905 (and the All-Russian Championship, St. Petersburg 1906) was 30 moves in two hours followed by 15 moves an hour according to vol 1 of The Life & Games of Akiva Rubinstein by Donaldson and Minev.

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Re: Time control Ostend 1905?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:13 pm

The 1905 BCM carries a report on Ostend 1905 listing all the prize winners (it appears they found a reason to give a prize to everyone.) but sadly not the time controls.

Times controls seem to vary in 1905. Janowski - Marshall (1905) was 30 moves in the first two hours, and 15 moves per hour afterwards.https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=80198

Marshall - Tarrasch 1905. 3 hours for the first 40 moves, thereafter one hour for the next 14 moves. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=82363

The 1905 BCF Championship had the first time control on move 20. http://britishchessnews.com/2022/06/29/ ... rd-part-2/

Is this game you are talking about; https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1003431

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Re: Time control Ostend 1905?

Post by MSoszynski » Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:42 am

Thanks Ian and Geoff,

That was indeed the Tarrasch-Blackburne game I was writing about.

I was annotating it for an ebook on Bird's Defence.

I've since moved on to other games.

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Re: Time control Ostend 1905?

Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:35 am

MSoszynski wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2023 11:42 am
Hello Again,

I asked this question on the relevant page at chessgames.com and got answered by one of the good guys.

"Time limit: The first twenty moves in one hour and twenty minutes; afterwards, fifteen moves per hour. Five games to be played weekly, Wednesday being reserved for playing off of unfinished games."
Source: London <Field>, 1905.04.15, p603

"Quite a novel time limit has been adopted, the result of which will be to hasten the play during the earlier portion of the game, at least as compared to the regulation at Cambridge Springs, and other tournaments. At Ostend the rule will call for the first twenty moves to be made within an hour and twenty minutes, after which play must be conducted at the rate of fifteen moves each hour."
Source: <Brooklyn Daily Eagle>, 1905.04.30, News Editorial Section, p12

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/kibitzi ... 23&reply=6

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Re: Time control Ostend 1905?

Post by MSoszynski » Mon Sep 11, 2023 9:42 am

Thank you ever so!