Hi Justin,
You have to remember that I've lived in Scotland since 1975, my first glimpse of English Chess and what was
going was in 2009 when I joined here. Up until then I had only read the Keene v WInter letters in CHESS.
(I think even B.H.Wood was fed up with the two of them, recall him saying this is the last time!)
These were about historic mistakes made by Ray and Edward's frustration.
I do visit Winter's site and have his books so from there I picked up more mentions of the 'occasional' Keene mistakes.
I also got from the Winter site all the details about Ray's plagiarism.
Ray was duly punished by embarrassment (which he seems to shrug off), he lost his job as a columnist
and a financial settlement was paid to injured party. (do not know if it was by Ray or the publisher).
To me that is job done - he won't do it again.
I know all about the instant book in 1978 and Tal actually showing I think it was Murray Chandler a copy of the text Ray just sent off.
OOPS! (that bit is not mention in the 1978 book - good book!)
That's it. I know there are other things knocking about, I've seen the hints, but I honestly know nothing about them.
(I'd be careful here, please give me a link. I'll read it/them - after I finishing listening to the Hibs game - it's halftime 1-0 to Hibs. )
I'm open minded to shift my view, but you will understand if I prefer to read about it from a 3rd or 4th party.
I do know I like his writing style, I also like his shrug the shoulders attitude, (regarding his cut and pasting and rehashing)
of which I cracked more than just a few jokes. The loveable rogue tags seems to fit, he appears to be Mr Marmite.
I cannot understand (A) him for doing it and (B) why people get so upset about it.
I also like his games. When starting out I was warned, Tarrasch was dogmatic and Keene was stodgy.
It took me a few years to find out I loved Tarrasch's games and Ray Keene's game were anything but stodgy.
But you are right I am flippant in these matters. Sometimes too flippant.
But better this way IMO than worry about small matters from eon's ago.
I'd like to continue, but it has to be kept calm.
We may have both crossed a line here. I apologise if you took me wrong for calling you out over it.
Right where were we?
Bill played again under David in 1976 so I'd say he had drawn a line under it.
But yes, Bill should have been in on it. David upon being told Ray had a cast iron draw in the last round
would have just been thinking that coming home with a cert of GM norm would be good for the team.
(speculation that bit, but I can see no other reason than this was a genuine error of judgement.)
And I cannot fault Ray, he arranged the deal, (apparently) but as I have already said, now thinking about it.
in the same position I would have done the same as have quite a other few players in the nervous 90's.
Although I like to think I would have asked Bill first. (I would have) He too seems an easy going type of guy,
I suspect upon being in the loop he may have gone along with it. An 'OK Ray but you owe me one.' type of thing.
Hibs 2-0 up!