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Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:46 am
by John Upham
England's 7th - 9th International Master in 1954 he was very much a "marmite" player and personality when written about by others.

Steve Giddins described him as a Maverick, Anne Sunnucks wrote one of her more sympathetic articles, Golombek really wasn't a big fan, Lionel Sharples Penrose appeared to be keen, Hooper & Whyld lukewarm whilst his Swiss namesake was quite glowing in his appreciation.

His communist affiliations and tendency to become inebriated either endeared him or the opposite.

However, his writing was superb and his chess playing skills were pretty good too!

We have supplemented our article with more new material for your enjoyment.

Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)


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Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:34 pm
by Neil Blackburn
I have a yellow covered A4 book of Winter's chess 'memoirs'. Interesting piece of work. Hopefully a few others here have a copy!?

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:42 pm
by John Upham
Nell,

I've never seen this. Can you post a photo of the front cover please?

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:44 am
by Neil Blackburn
Ha!!. I have no idea how to post pictures here - last time I tried it came out with nonsense🤣. Will have a go later when I am properly awake.👍

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:04 am
by Neil Blackburn
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Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:11 am
by Neil Blackburn
My own photo is to big, 4MB, but it is this book. Hope that helps.
One fascinating tidbit in there is that he was not much use at cricket, but was always immaculately turned out in his white, and that his father also played..
I have a record of Atkins getting a duck in a school match!! Cheers, Neil.

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:34 am
by John Upham
Neil,

Thanks for this. Is this publication (I assume privately) the material found in CHESS in 1963 etc?

John

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:52 am
by Neil Blackburn
Yep, that's the material, as I understand it. There is also some material by the compiler, under 'observations' - no idea if that was in the CHESS version.

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:59 pm
by John Upham
I see that there is material on Malik Mir Sultan Khan contained in the same publication. I wonder if Danny King found this?

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:15 pm
by Neil Blackburn
I should hope so - it is given in my quick article on Sultan Khan which pops up on a Google search. Then again, he claims the Capablanca simul game as a discovery, and I quoted that too - it is easily found on a BNA search - so who knows. I do not have King's book.

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:20 am
by John Clarke
John Upham wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:46 am
England's 7th - 9th International Master in 1954 he was very much a "marmite" player and personality when written about by others.

Steve Giddins described him as a Maverick, Anne Sunnucks wrote one of her more sympathetic articles, Golombek really wasn't a big fan, Lionel Sharples Penrose appeared to be keen, Hooper & Whyld lukewarm whilst his Swiss namesake was quite glowing in his appreciation.
B H Wood (writing once in response to a reader's letter to Chess) was even more brutally direct: "Winter often presented a most filthy and disreputable appearance". The photo above certainly doesn't do him many favours in this regard. (Anyone else think he looks like Lenin "getting peeved and depressed" (in the well-known phrase quoted by Mike Fox and Richard James)?

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:28 am
by Kevin Thurlow
"The photo above certainly doesn't do him many favours in this regard."

Looks like a chess player...

Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:43 pm
by Gerard Killoran
An early victory...