Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

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Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Post by John Upham » Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:46 am

England's 7th - 9th International Master in 1954 he was very much a "marmite" player and personality when written about by others.

Steve Giddins described him as a Maverick, Anne Sunnucks wrote one of her more sympathetic articles, Golombek really wasn't a big fan, Lionel Sharples Penrose appeared to be keen, Hooper & Whyld lukewarm whilst his Swiss namesake was quite glowing in his appreciation.

His communist affiliations and tendency to become inebriated either endeared him or the opposite.

However, his writing was superb and his chess playing skills were pretty good too!

We have supplemented our article with more new material for your enjoyment.

Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)


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Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Post by Neil Blackburn » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:34 pm

I have a yellow covered A4 book of Winter's chess 'memoirs'. Interesting piece of work. Hopefully a few others here have a copy!?

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Post by John Upham » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:42 pm

Nell,

I've never seen this. Can you post a photo of the front cover please?
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Post by Neil Blackburn » Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:44 am

Ha!!. I have no idea how to post pictures here - last time I tried it came out with nonsense🤣. Will have a go later when I am properly awake.👍

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Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Post by Neil Blackburn » Sat Dec 19, 2020 6:11 am

My own photo is to big, 4MB, but it is this book. Hope that helps.
One fascinating tidbit in there is that he was not much use at cricket, but was always immaculately turned out in his white, and that his father also played..
I have a record of Atkins getting a duck in a school match!! Cheers, Neil.

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Post by John Upham » Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:34 am

Neil,

Thanks for this. Is this publication (I assume privately) the material found in CHESS in 1963 etc?

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Post by Neil Blackburn » Sat Dec 19, 2020 10:52 am

Yep, that's the material, as I understand it. There is also some material by the compiler, under 'observations' - no idea if that was in the CHESS version.

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Post by John Upham » Sat Dec 19, 2020 12:59 pm

I see that there is material on Malik Mir Sultan Khan contained in the same publication. I wonder if Danny King found this?
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Post by Neil Blackburn » Sat Dec 19, 2020 3:15 pm

I should hope so - it is given in my quick article on Sultan Khan which pops up on a Google search. Then again, he claims the Capablanca simul game as a discovery, and I quoted that too - it is easily found on a BNA search - so who knows. I do not have King's book.

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Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Post by John Clarke » Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:20 am

John Upham wrote:
Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:46 am
England's 7th - 9th International Master in 1954 he was very much a "marmite" player and personality when written about by others.

Steve Giddins described him as a Maverick, Anne Sunnucks wrote one of her more sympathetic articles, Golombek really wasn't a big fan, Lionel Sharples Penrose appeared to be keen, Hooper & Whyld lukewarm whilst his Swiss namesake was quite glowing in his appreciation.
B H Wood (writing once in response to a reader's letter to Chess) was even more brutally direct: "Winter often presented a most filthy and disreputable appearance". The photo above certainly doesn't do him many favours in this regard. (Anyone else think he looks like Lenin "getting peeved and depressed" (in the well-known phrase quoted by Mike Fox and Richard James)?
"The chess-board is the world ..... the player on the other side is hidden from us ..... he never overlooks a mistake, or makes the smallest allowance for ignorance."
(He doesn't let you resign and start again, either.)

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Re: Remembering IM William Winter (11-xi-1897 18-xii-1955)

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:28 am

"The photo above certainly doesn't do him many favours in this regard."

Looks like a chess player...

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Post by Gerard Killoran » Mon Dec 21, 2020 7:43 pm

An early victory...



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