Britbase Updates
- John Saunders
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I think we might have one more half-move in the game Barden-Mieses, Hastings, 30 December 1948(!)
The earlier photo is exhibit A and I stumbled on exhibit B online (having googled "1948 hastings chess photos" and switched to images)...
The snapshot/image comes from a comment someone has added it to a thread about chess sets on chess.com. I don't know what publication the original image comes from (anyone know?) but I'm pretty sure the caption showing that it comes from the 1945/46 Hastings is wrong. Compare it to the earlier photo showing Mieses playing the unseen Leonard Barden on 30 December 1948 and it is clear that the photos were taken at the same time. Observe the e6 pawn slightly off centre in both photos and, more convincingly still, Dr Schenk's pen at exactly the same angle on the scoresheet. Further evidence: expert witness Olimpiu Urcan (now calling himself Olimpiu Di Luppi) used a better version of this photo for a tweet on 5 December 2020 and he correctly attributed it to the 1948/49 Hastings.
So we now know that Barden-Mieses, 30 December 1948, began 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 e6 3 g3...
The earlier photo is exhibit A and I stumbled on exhibit B online (having googled "1948 hastings chess photos" and switched to images)...
The snapshot/image comes from a comment someone has added it to a thread about chess sets on chess.com. I don't know what publication the original image comes from (anyone know?) but I'm pretty sure the caption showing that it comes from the 1945/46 Hastings is wrong. Compare it to the earlier photo showing Mieses playing the unseen Leonard Barden on 30 December 1948 and it is clear that the photos were taken at the same time. Observe the e6 pawn slightly off centre in both photos and, more convincingly still, Dr Schenk's pen at exactly the same angle on the scoresheet. Further evidence: expert witness Olimpiu Urcan (now calling himself Olimpiu Di Luppi) used a better version of this photo for a tweet on 5 December 2020 and he correctly attributed it to the 1948/49 Hastings.
So we now know that Barden-Mieses, 30 December 1948, began 1 e4 c5 2 Nc3 e6 3 g3...
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Here begins the Hulbert-Lacy saga, plus a couple of extras.
Part 1
Part 1
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I have no explanation for Lacy-Hulbert giving back the exchange and then exchanging Queens rather than picking up the Bishop on moves 33 to 34.
I have no explanation for Lacy-Hulbert giving back the exchange and then exchanging Queens rather than picking up the Bishop on moves 33 to 34.
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Part 3
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The last one is on Britbase, but was White's last move correct?
The last one is on Britbase, but was White's last move correct?
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Part 5. (I hope the last)
[Event "GBR-ch39 First Class B"]
[Site "Chester"]
[Date "1952.08.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Starling, Peter"]
[Black "Lacy-Hulbert, Arthur Percival"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B70"]
[Opening "Sicilian: dragon variation"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Bg5 Bg7 7. Qd2 h6 8. Bxf6
Bxf6 9. f4 Qb6 10. Nb3 Be6 11. O-O-O Nd7 12. Bb5 Bg7 13. Bxd7+ Bxd7 14. e5 Rc8
15. exd6 e6 16. g4 O-O 17. h4 Qa6 18. Kb1 b5 19. Ne4 Qb6 20. h5 f5 21. Ng3 Bc6
22. Rhg1 Bf3 23. Ne2 {Kington Times - Saturday 11 October 1952 p.6} 0-1
Here the game text became so confusing I could not reconstruct it. can anyone do better?
[Event "GBR-ch39 First Class B"]
[Site "Chester"]
[Date "1952.08.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Starling, Peter"]
[Black "Lacy-Hulbert, Arthur Percival"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B70"]
[Opening "Sicilian: dragon variation"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Bg5 Bg7 7. Qd2 h6 8. Bxf6
Bxf6 9. f4 Qb6 10. Nb3 Be6 11. O-O-O Nd7 12. Bb5 Bg7 13. Bxd7+ Bxd7 14. e5 Rc8
15. exd6 e6 16. g4 O-O 17. h4 Qa6 18. Kb1 b5 19. Ne4 Qb6 20. h5 f5 21. Ng3 Bc6
22. Rhg1 Bf3 23. Ne2 {Kington Times - Saturday 11 October 1952 p.6} 0-1
Here the game text became so confusing I could not reconstruct it. can anyone do better?
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Thanks for all the games, Gerard: I've just finished loading them up on BritBase.Gerard Killoran wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 2:50 pm
The last one is on Britbase, but was White's last move correct?
As regards the Wilkinson v Lacy-Hulbert game: B L Wilkinson was a strong player and I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. He was a good enough player to see that, after 15 Kb1 Bxc3 16 bxc3 he is positionally busted as well as being a pawn down. So I'm sticking with the move as recorded.
EDIT: I see another batch has arrived. Thanks again.
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I hope never to see another Lacy Hulbert game again. By the way whatever happened to Peter Starling. At Ilkley, we had the late, and sadly missed, Jonathan Swallow. A pity they never played each other.
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Thanks, Gerard, and also apologies for making you look at another Lacy-Hulbert game. Actually it is the same game you've just been struggling with.
I think I have the solution. I struggled with it too until I looked harder at the improbable move 25...R-K5. How on earth does it manage to get there? Then it occurred to me - if 20...P-B5 was in fact 20...R-B5. And then it all hangs together...
I think I have the solution. I struggled with it too until I looked harder at the improbable move 25...R-K5. How on earth does it manage to get there? Then it occurred to me - if 20...P-B5 was in fact 20...R-B5. And then it all hangs together...
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Well done John, and as your prize:
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The then reigning Irish Champion beats a former Scottish champion:
https://www.irlchess.com/2022/05/08/wen ... gs-1945-46
https://www.irlchess.com/2022/05/08/wen ... gs-1945-46