I might be wrong here, but I doubt it's so difficult as you describe either. Especially in the UK that counts half a dozen different affiliates to FIDE.NickFaulks wrote:If you have to move to another country, or even just buy a second home there, I don't think that's "easy".Paolo Casaschi wrote: Depends how do you define "easily".
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These things are rather easy to parody. I have to agree with Roger that the actions - appointing a publicity officer who has made a promising start- attract more praise than the paper that we in Council can only note (a position consistent with such strategy).David Robertson wrote:Is this irony? If so, it's superbBrian Valentine wrote:...could help the organisation extract itself from the current communications outcomes deficit.
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It would be easy enough to become ENG, as I don't believe the ECF demand any particular evidence. It's rather more difficult to become Welsh, Scottish or Irish as I suspect the local Federations would insist on ancestry, birth or residence as qualification standards. Their rather more stringent requirements are perhaps because it's possible for amateur level players to qualify for their Olympiad teams and thereby "take the places" as they would see it, of residents.Paolo Casaschi wrote: Especially in the UK that counts half a dozen different affiliates to FIDE.
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VAT to the Government tooJustinHorton wrote:Unless I am mistaken the Shakers will pay on some of their income to organising and representative bodies such as the Football League and the FA.Mike Truran wrote:There is a slight difference.
When you watch the Shakers the Shakers get your money.
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That's a bit harsh on the Scots, isn't it? They have grandmasters up there, don't they? Didn't one of them even have the temerity to launch a raid south of the border and head back north as British Champion?Roger de Coverly wrote:It would be easy enough to become ENG, as I don't believe the ECF demand any particular evidence. It's rather more difficult to become Welsh, Scottish or Irish as I suspect the local Federations would insist on ancestry, birth or residence as qualification standards. Their rather more stringent requirements are perhaps because it's possible for amateur level players to qualify for their Olympiad teams and thereby "take the places" as they would see it, of residents.Paolo Casaschi wrote: Especially in the UK that counts half a dozen different affiliates to FIDE.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.
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I think that you are wrong, although perhaps this is a common misconception. While some federations may sometimes lie about the status of their players, I don't believe that the UK is particularly noted for that. If you have evidence to the contrary, don't be shy!Paolo Casaschi wrote: I might be wrong here, but I doubt it's so difficult as you describe either. Especially in the UK that counts half a dozen different affiliates to FIDE.
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If you aren't obviously living in Scotland, or were born there, I believe questions may be asked as to your parentage. I might have this wrong, but I believe one of their more recent recruits assured them that he wanted to play as Scottish, rather than for Scotland, thus not deselecting one of their existing players.Brian Towers wrote: That's a bit harsh on the Scots, isn't it?
FIDE appear to take the view that provided you have UK or Irish nationality it's up to the chess federations of ENG, SCO, WLS, IRL, GCI and JCI to decide the rules as to for which one someone is eligible.
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I certainly didn't know that!Roger de Coverly wrote: FIDE appear to take the view that provided you have UK or Irish nationality it's up to the chess federations of ENG, SCO, WLS, IRL, GCI and JCI to decide the rules as to for which one someone is eligible.
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I do not have much evidence, just an impression. Maybe things got different lately but I remember when I played my first FIDE event (in France) I had been registered by mistake as Belgian and I had to argue to get this corrected. Ultimately I got the impression that nobody checked any nationality claim at the time. They might be stricter now.NickFaulks wrote:I think that you are wrong, although perhaps this is a common misconception. While some federations may sometimes lie about the status of their players, I don't believe that the UK is particularly noted for that. If you have evidence to the contrary, don't be shy!
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I think it was a discussion at the Chess Scotland site before they closed off the ability of outsiders to read it. They were tying themselves in knots over whether it should be parents or grandparents, before someone pointed out that all FIDE knew was that Nationality was British and they couldn't get involved in subdivisions.NickFaulks wrote: I certainly didn't know that!
I suppose that asks another question, which is that with an English, Welsh, Scottish split common in international sports or competitive activities, how do other international bodies handle the internal British eligibility question?
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I imagine that changed when a money-grabber in FIDE realised that charging for Federation changes could be a nice little earner. People changing Federation was also probably an impediment to the smooth running of a rating system, but promotion of chess should really have overruled this, particularly for players who had only played one event.Paolo Casaschi wrote: Ultimately I got the impression that nobody checked any nationality claim at the time. They might be stricter now.
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3 years residence or a grandparent is the qualification in rugby.Roger de Coverly wrote:I suppose that asks another question, which is that with an English, Welsh, Scottish split common in international sports or competitive activities, how do other international bodies handle the internal British eligibility question?
Topically the Scottish rugby side, which played so well against Japan yesterday, is stuffed full of Kiwis and Saffers. One of them, a Saffer, has only been qualified (by 3 years residence) for about a week. The Scots even have a team of headhunters scouring the rugby world for Bok, Wallaby and All Black rejects with a Scottish grandparent to try and strengthen their side. So, the complete opposite of chess.
Ah, but I was so much older then. I'm younger than that now.
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[quote="Roger de Coverly
If you aren't obviously living in Scotland, or were born there, I believe questions may be asked as to your parentage.[/quote]
I wasn't born in Scotland, nor have I ever lived there, but I'm confident my parents were married - and to each other.
[quote="Roger de Coverly]FIDE appear to take the view that provided you have UK or Irish nationality it's up to the chess federations of ENG, SCO, WLS, IRL, GCI and JCI to decide the rules as to for which one someone is eligible.[/quote]
GCI and JCI are not part of the UK or Ireland!!!
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If you aren't obviously living in Scotland, or were born there, I believe questions may be asked as to your parentage.[/quote]
I wasn't born in Scotland, nor have I ever lived there, but I'm confident my parents were married - and to each other.
[quote="Roger de Coverly]FIDE appear to take the view that provided you have UK or Irish nationality it's up to the chess federations of ENG, SCO, WLS, IRL, GCI and JCI to decide the rules as to for which one someone is eligible.[/quote]
GCI and JCI are not part of the UK or Ireland!!!
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But residents are British passport holders.Julie Denning wrote: GCI and JCI are not part of the UK or Ireland!!!
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Nationals of the islands are British (not UK!) passport holders, but residents can come from anywhere.Roger de Coverly wrote:But residents are British passport holders.Julie Denning wrote: GCI and JCI are not part of the UK or Ireland!!!
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