A Vision for the Future

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benedgell
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Re: A Vision for the Future

Post by benedgell » Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:43 pm

David,
As ECF Publicity Officer I'll try to answer a few points. I agree there are a lot of people who purely play chess on the web, and with the right advertising could probably be attracted to clubs. As far as I'm aware ICC and Playchess don't have any adverts, they rely purely on subscriptions, but sites like Yahoo, Msn, etc have large online chess communities. The only problem is it probably costs a great deal to advertise on the sites. Even more specialist ones such as chess.com probably charge a fair deal for advertising. If you have any suggestions for how to reach the 'web chess' audience that is relatively inexpensive, I'd be delighted to hear it.
Putting adverts in schools, colleges, libraries etc would almost certainly lead to an increase in numbers at chess clubs if handled the right way, but it does need people at their local clubs who are willing to volunteer time and effort, and at a lot of clubs these people don't exist.
As far as getting more media involvment- well, I've only been in the job officially for a little less then a week, so I wouldn't expect any results yet, but I'm sending previews of congresses, and results of congresses to as many forms of local media as I can think of. I don't think there's any getting away from the fact that chess is going to be a hard sell. I'm expecting a lot of phone calls, emails to just be ignored, but all I can do is try, try and try again, and hopefully it'll produce some results.
I find congresses are quite well publicized on websites, and with entry forms at congresses, but- and I don't mind being corrected on this one- I find that congresses tend to send out entry forms only to people who have entered in previous years. Which means that people who don't regularly check local chess websites tend to miss some congresses that they would attend had they known. At the moment I'm passing around the idea to the various County Presidents (this was suggested by Sean Hewitt) of having a mailing list with people volunteering which types of congresses they'd like to enter (slowplay, quickplay etc) and how far they'd be prepared to travel. It's only at the suggestion stage at the moment, but hopefully something good'll come of it.
Your suggestions about holding simultaneous displays and stands at local shows are both good ones, it only requires people who are prepared to do it, and people who are prepared to organise it. In many cases one, or the other, or both simply don't exist.
Finally, I went down to Paignton myself last Thursday, and have to say in terms of venue, I don't think I've seen one much better. And I'm not just saying that because I'm biased towards South West tournaments. :wink:

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Re: A Vision for the Future

Post by Ben Purton » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:07 pm

Mr ECF publicity officer sir, whats your view on drinking at the board :-)
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Re: A Vision for the Future

Post by David Pardoe » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:31 pm

[quote="benedgell"]David,
As ECF Publicity Officer I'll try to answer a few points. I agree there are a lot of people who purely play chess on the web, and with the right advertising could probably be attracted to clubs. As far as I'm aware ICC and Playchess don't have any adverts, they rely purely on subscriptions, but sites like Yahoo, Msn, etc have large online chess communities. The only problem is it probably costs a great deal to advertise on the sites. Even more specialist ones such as chess.com probably charge a fair deal for advertising. If you have any suggestions for how to reach the 'web chess' audience that is relatively inexpensive, I'd be delighted to hear it.
Putting adverts in schools, colleges, libraries etc would almost certainly lead to an increase in numbers at chess clubs if handled the right way, but it does need people at their local clubs who are willing to volunteer time and effort, and at a lot of clubs these people don't exist.

Firstly, good luck in your new post as Publicity officer at ECF.... Non of my comments were intended as `digs` at the ECF...
I note your comment... "these people dont exist.." appeared a couple of times... I beg to differ. I think these people do exist, but are laying `dorment` at present....and maybe dont realise they are needed....and THEY could help.
Yes, I believe the media need a wake up call... Our local Press do not respond positively enough to calls for support...and more needs to appear at local league/club level. Our culture is being ditched because the media/TV are obsessed with quick sensationalist headlines to sell papers...and the TV are paranoid about TV ratings so they think that the public are so brain dead that only sloppy soaps and other junk like Big brother etc will attract interest.....and of course blummin football. Look at the foootball model...some model...its totally dominated by foriegn players and managers, etc.....?
Congress chess needs a shake up...again the right targetted publicity could help greatly...maybe some better structuring.
One idea I have is for local congresses in certain areas to get together, share mailing lists...and maybe offer a regional congress ticket for say £100...which would allow players to enter all the congresses in an area for that year. Take the North West perhaps......from Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Preston, Lakes, etc......there must be 20 or so congresses a year, at least. If they acted together to produce a block discount system, it could create great interest. Also, many congresses only advertise on `local websites...if thery widened this to regional and adjacent counties, I`m sure this would boost awareness. But a more focussed emailing campaign, with reminders nearer to congress dates, might also boost numbers. Alspo, targetting clubs (if secretaries could be more pro-active in publicity, that might help.
On the TV side...I`d like to see chess given a similar TV treatment to golf...maybe highlights and analysis.
Yes, we can certainly reach our internet friends...maybe by some more subtle approaches of `infiltration and networking`...
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Re: A Vision for the Future

Post by Sean Hewitt » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:36 pm

David Pardoe wrote: One idea I have is for local congresses in certain areas to get together, share mailing lists.. .
David - Already exists in the East Midlands where Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire maintain one mailing list and co-ordinate our events so as not to clash. Just takes the organisers to talk to each other and agree how to do it.

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Re: A Vision for the Future

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:28 pm

There has been a Greater Manchester Congress mailing list for years - David should know, he's probably on it!
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Re: A Vision for the Future

Post by David Pardoe » Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:26 am

No specific criticism intended from me...certainly not against Manchester, where I know our organisors put in much effort to try to ensure our Congress and Rapidplay offerings are attractive...not least Harry Lamb, Julian, and his team, ...Mick, and the Stockport team..Peter Taylor..and others....not least Roger Edwards, who is again busy this weekend at the Leek Congress. Wonder how well that ones doing......
I know Mick had some bad luck last year with the Bury Rapidplay, lossing a key sponsor...with numbers down, maybe partly because of the `Crunch` last October/Christmas....when Lehmans collapse sent the markets crashing. Those Financial jokers/bankers/others have much to answer for....in years gone by they would have been put in the `Stocks`...or worse.
Anyway, I hope that Bury experiences a revival and returns to that top notch venue at Bury Town Hall...at a future date.
Incidentally...can we do more to attract sponsors...maybe our local Building society, or Hotel chain, Travel Agent could be persuaded to put up £500 or so...with some publicity opportunities offered. I know its very difficult and Im no expert on that one. But maybe we need to call for some modest sponsorships, rather than the 5-grand..10-grand mega bucks jobs. It all helps.
No, theres no magic bullet for success...hard work, good planning, plenty of volunteers....some backers...and a good venue, all form part of the mix. But the supporting `network(ing)` also needs to be good...getting the right message(s) out across the region..and beyond.....and reminding players...and prospective players...and webmasters/sites..etc..that good chess offerings are to be had....coming soon to a venuer near you CHESS WARS 2 ...!!! a blockbuster you cant afford to miss...
Yes, I`ve been doing some background PR/publicity for a while....trying to raise awareness that chess is in town....and its there to be enjoyed by players of all standards and ages.
Experimenting with different messages and formats can help....sometimes its gets a good response, sometimes not....
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Re: A Vision for the Future

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:17 pm

"One idea I have is for local congresses in certain areas to get together, share mailing lists.. ."

Be careful - the Data Protection Act might bite you...
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Re: A Vision for the Future

Post by Laurie Roberts » Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:42 pm

The strategy document prepared for the ECF meeting is very good. A lot of work has gone into it clearly. A very professional apprach has been taken

http://www.englishchess.org.uk/images/s ... lOct09.doc