What is that evidence?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:09 pmThere would seem evidence of a Pein camp v Truran camp battle in the Director of Women's Chess post.
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I respect your views David and treat them seriously. In this case we came to different conclusions. I hope we can simply agree on that and move on.
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Look at the list of those nominating.
If relevant, both Fenella and Mike Truran have been members of the same 4NCL squad (Brown Jack) in the past.
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Fenella?Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:49 pmLook at the list of those nominating.
If relevant, both Fiona and Mike Truran have been members of the same 4NCL squad (Brown Jack) in the past.
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I agree with David on both countsDavid Sedgwick wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:42 pm
I do not in any way doubt your integrity and good faith, but I still believe that you took the wrong course of action.
I hope that Council will have the opportunity before the next Annual General Meeting to decide whether it wishes to make prompt publication a requirement.
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Thank you Michael. I concur with your second sentence and I have no intention of making any further public comment on the matter until after 16th October.Michael Farthing wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:47 pmI respect your views David and treat them seriously. In this case we came to different conclusions. I hope we can simply agree on that and move on.
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It was originally suggested that the nominations would not be published until 22nd September. It now seems that it was more a case of a slight delay (five days as it happened) so that two candidates could potentially settle their differences. It may come down to the difference between "on" and "by" but it does seem that the message could perhaps have been clearer.Michael Farthing wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:47 pmI respect your views David and treat them seriously. In this case we came to different conclusions. I hope we can simply agree on that and move on.
My concern was that it left a vacuum where some people were more in the "know" than others, meaning that some manoeuvring behind the scenes has taken place while other people were in the dark. I'm pleased that the discussion around the elections can now begin in earnest.
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By the same logic, Nigel Towers must be supporting Malcolm Pein, as Nigel has played for CSC in the 4NCL Online.Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:49 pmIf relevant, both Fenella and Mike Truran have been members of the same 4NCL squad (Brown Jack) in the past.
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Good LordRoger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:24 pmThat would also explain how the retiring Director of Women's Chess nominated himself to stand as Chairman of Governance
This is almost inevitably the case when information is withheld from the wider membership: you get a kind of inner circle who are privy to what's going on and an outer circle who are not, and it's not healthy.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:04 pmMy concern was that it left a vacuum where some people were more in the "know" than others
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At last night's MCF Council meeting, that's what we were told by Julian; he didn't say these are the Candidates, so we can discuss who to vote for, he said they were in the public domainDavid Sedgwick wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:45 pmWhere?Mick Norris wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:59 pmI have been told that the information is in the public domain
The MCF agreed to vote for Mike Truran, Robert Stern and Fenella Headlong (we didn't discuss the other candidates, so none of the above wasn't mentioned)
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That is a concern but, in my view, not the main one.Andrew Zigmond wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:04 pmMy concern was that it left a vacuum where some people were more in the "know" than others, meaning that some manoeuvring behind the scenes has taken place while other people were in the dark
What does this mean? Surely the point of the election is to decide between candidates with different outlooks!! I find it worrying that the reason for not informing the membership was that there was a possibility of a 'deal' being done which would prevent them from having a meaningful election.Michael Farthing wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:30 pmThe reason for the delay from last Thursday is that I judged it to be in the best long term interest of the ECF as there were active discussions taking place at reconciliation between two candidates with different outlooks on how the organisation should move forward.
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The membership in the sense of the minority with votes seemingly knew who the candidates were. Those endorsing a candidate with nominations certainly did.Alex McFarlane wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:31 pmI find it worrying that the reason for not informing the membership was that there was a possibility of a 'deal' being done which would prevent them from having a meaningful election.
Could I also say that I really don't think the member's direct representatives should be part of a list nominating candidates? Certainly without some degree of soundings as to what their constituency thinks. Only Joe Reyes out of the Gold, Silver or Bronze representatives has declined to express a preference by virtue of making a nomination.
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Interesting to see Durham CCA nominating Malcolm and Aga. In that I'm the Grading Officer for Durham CCA and have never been asked to vote on, or discuss, said nominations
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Another important question that needs to be asked is what happens to International if Malcolm wins. I'm assuming he has a likely candidate in mind to be appointed pending the next election for that post (which I think is next year) in which case it should be made public.
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You would probably find that such decisions have been devolved explicitly or implicitly to whoever represents the county association at ECF Council meetings.Chris Goodall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pmIn that I'm the Grading Officer for Durham CCA and have never been asked to vote on, or discuss, said nominations