Registered Coaches Scheme

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RobWillmoth
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Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by RobWillmoth » Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:07 pm

Afternoon all.

Most of you are probably aware of this already. Over the last three months the ECF have been developing a new coaching scheme. It is the best coaching scheme We have had for many years. It is hopefully the start to an improvement of coaching strategy in England. There are
More phases planes for this scheme, dependant on how many sign up to the scheme. So far 36 coaches are listed plus another 40 or so being processed.

Details can be found on https://www.englishchess.org.uk/list-of ... d-coaches/

You an also apply via the above link, the apply button is at the bottom of the screen.

Also in addition we have since the formalisation of the national coaching group. The website is https://ejogguide.co.uk/

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by John Upham » Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:25 pm

Rob,

This is an excellent initiative.

May I suggest you add "Elite" as a label over and above for the very "best" coaches or at least those coaching much stronger pupils.

Of course there are excellent coaches working with much lower rated and experienced students.

I feel somewhat embarrassed to have the same label as such persons as Andrew Martin, Lorin and Sheila etc.

There are are probably too many labelled "Advanced" which dilutes it giving it reduced kudos.

Just a suggestion....
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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by Ian Thompson » Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:26 pm

John Upham wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:25 pm
May I suggest you add "Elite" as a label over and above for the very "best" coaches or at least those coaching much stronger pupils.
It would also be useful to know what the levels mean in terms of playing strength of the pupil. I could only find that by looking at the new coach application form, so I'd suggest it's also put somewhere more prominent.

Also, the requirements for each level seem skewed towards junior coaching. Suppose a very experienced coach only wished to coach very strong adult players. They could be no higher than a level 2 coach, due to not meeting the level 3 "coaching chess in schools and/or among young people nationally" requirement even though they met the additional level 4 requirements.

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:30 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 5:26 pm
Suppose a very experienced coach only wished to coach very strong adult players.
A very strong adult player is also unlikely to find much use for training from a player appreciably worse than themselves. If arguably such a player needed coaching in how not to lose to FMs and above, the trainer is likely to be someone who has succeeded at that level.

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by RobWillmoth » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:45 pm

Hi John

We looked into naming the levels,
Such as advanced , elite etc but decided to follow the format by top level sorts such as football etc.

The point being that firstly a strong player does not imply a good coach. Secondly that we wanted to state that especially levels 234 were similar in standard of coach. The difference being that a coach at level two specialises in the requirements at that level which could be generally school chess and a coach at level 4 specialises at coaching for example the England team. We are not saying a level 4 is better than a level two, just that their speciality falls within that particular level.

So for example yourself in level 2 coaching advanced likely school chess is not different to level 4 coaching England in terms of ability. Just simply more specialist in that area of expertise

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by RobWillmoth » Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:49 pm

Hi Ian

Fair point . 99 per cent of coaches in England are involved in some form of junior coaching as that is why most of the coaching requests come from.

However your points are noted and relevant and we will look into possible adjustments as we do not want to exclude a coach who coached adults basically on a technicality

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by Andrew Martin » Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:31 pm

https://www.englishchess.org.uk/list-of ... d-coaches/

I’m very pleased to see the scheme expanding, with lots of new names this week.

Don’t forget you need scanned documents attached to your application , DBS and proof of ID. If you have applied and have not yet been processed it may be that you have not provided enough information.

I would encourage all coaches, including the strongest players who coach, to join the scheme. By so doing you will support the advancement of chess education in England.

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by RobWillmoth » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:26 pm

Evening all. We have over 100 coaches now who have applied for the scheme. This is more than has been previously listed for as many years. However in order to move forward to the phase two development we would need at least 150 coaches signed up. So if you have not joined the scheme yet it would be very helpful to future coaching in England if you could registet

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by John Upham » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:24 pm

RobWillmoth wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:26 pm
Evening all. We have over 100 coaches now who have applied for the scheme. This is more than has been previously listed for as many years. However in order to move forward to the phase two development we would need at least 150 coaches signed up. So if you have not joined the scheme yet it would be very helpful to future coaching in England if you could registet
To make this more attractive it would be handy if you spelt out the benefits.

Some cynics might say "Is this not simply a list for coaches to advertise themselves?" for example.
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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by RobWillmoth » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:38 pm

Hi John

A fair point and difficult to answer. Firstly my hope is that we can set a structure for coaching that will Improve chess coaching going forward. Let’s face it, we are way behind when you compare with lots of other federations. We are not developing top juniors players at the same level as other countries. There are many reasons and to many to discuss in this thread. My hope is that we can take a first step of establishing a good scheme that has buy in from as many coaches as possible. We could potentially make a substantial change in structure and performance for the future.

Future phases of the scheme by the ECF could be assisted with it without the new national coaching group that had it first meeting recently www.EJOG guide.co.U.K.

Possible benefits for coaches for the future

1 training courses for coaches run by ECF and or the national coaching group. Already the group secured a large discount for the ECU 101 training course and so far around 35 coaches have signed up to this course. This is hopefully the start of better structure

2. A registered coaching scheme could also offer potential jobs for coaches with the right technology set up

3. With the addition of id cards the scheme could provide more recognition and make it easier to get coaching job

I could go on for a lot get about the potential benefits. However overall and I hope most coaches thinks this way, I would like to see a much stronger end product across all coaches in terms of the player we are producing.

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by Andrew Martin » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:02 pm

The list of registered coaches is gradually expanding and I’d like to encourage more coaches to apply. There is nothing to lose and everything to gain.

https://www.englishchess.org.uk/list-of ... d-coaches/

John Upham mentioned in an earlier post that this was a good opportunity for coaches to advertise themselves. I can only agree that this is one of the main benefits of the scheme.

I look forward to your application.

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Re: Registered Coaches Scheme

Post by Andrew Martin » Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:55 pm

Over 90 coaches on the list now. A good start.

Can I try to persuade those who have not signed up to think about applying? It’s a simple process once the documentation is in place.

It really is a free chance to advertise yourself and your services

Thanks.

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