Only once this century, in 2003.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:02 amI know that FIDE occasionally awards an Honorary Grandmaster title.
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NickFaulks wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:39 pmOnly once this century, in 2003.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:02 amI know that FIDE occasionally awards an Honorary Grandmaster title.
"very occasionally" then...
What are the circumstances that have lead to this title being awarded to a few players?
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Before my time, but I would assume political machinations.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:37 pmWhat are the circumstances that have lead to this title being awarded to a few players?
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"Before my time, but I would assume political machinations."
I know you're the FIDE expert (and I am not), but I assumed that after the norm-based titles came in, it was felt that historically some players had missed out, and would have achieved the titles under the new rules. Am I being over charitable there?
I'm sure politics also came into it - I seem to recall a couple of players being made GMs as "it was good for their countries".
I know you're the FIDE expert (and I am not), but I assumed that after the norm-based titles came in, it was felt that historically some players had missed out, and would have achieved the titles under the new rules. Am I being over charitable there?
I'm sure politics also came into it - I seem to recall a couple of players being made GMs as "it was good for their countries".
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Very few got the title without a reasonable claim to it. Many equally deserving cases didn't get it. The decision process was rather opaque.Kevin Thurlow wrote: ↑Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:20 pmI know you're the FIDE expert (and I am not), but I assumed that after the norm-based titles came in, it was felt that historically some players had missed out, and would have achieved the titles under the new rules.
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IIRC there is only one "honorary" GM still alive - our own Penrose.
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Apparently he's not so "honorary", Matt.Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:04 pmIIRC there is only one "honorary" GM still alive - our own Penrose.
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=632&start=15#p7787Leonard Barden wrote: ↑Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:40 amPenrose became a GM and not the inferior honorary version. How it happened is through another of Bob Wade's services to English chess...
SNIP
I see that Wikipedia and other sources call Penrose HGM or GM emeritus, but they are wrong.
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The good news is that the title application has now been passed on to FIDE. Efficient work by the IRO, Dave Clayton!
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Which brought me to this wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmast ... andmasters.
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From 1977 until 2003, FIDE awarded honorary Grandmaster titles to 31 players based on their past performances
or other contributions to chess. Since 2007, no distinction has been made between an "honorary" grandmaster
and a full grandmaster. The following players have been awarded honorary Grandmaster titles:
1977 – Julio Bolbochán, Esteban Canal, Borislav Milić, Carlos Torre Repetto
1981 – Arnold Denker
1982 – Lodewijk Prins, Raúl Sanguinetti
1983 – Vladimir Alatortsev, Alexander Konstantinopolsky, Erik Lundin
1984 – Eero Böök, Stojan Puc
1985 – Harry Golombek, Mario Monticelli, Jaroslav Šajtar
1986 – Arthur Dake, Theodor Ghițescu
1987 – Vladimir Makogonov, Vladas Mikėnas, Bogdan Śliwa
1988 – George Koltanowski
1990 – Andrija Fuderer, Rudolf Marić
1991 – Dragoljub Minić
1992 – Heinz Lehmann, Rudolf Teschner
1993 – Jonathan Penrose (Leonard Barden claims Penrose was awarded the full grandmaster title).[19][20]
1996 – Károly Honfi, Enrico Paoli
1999 – Péter Dely
2003 – Elmārs Zemgalis
Looking at the current FIDE title regulations (https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/B01Regulations2017), it would appear that there is no longer a mechanism by which FIDE bestows an Honorary Grandmaster title (appear perhaps from Presidential or Board fiat - I wouldn't know what their reserved powers are).
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And there were certainly other players - from the former USSR especially - who could easily have gained such an accolade but didn't.
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Incorrect. JPs GM title (awarded in 1994) was not "honorary".Matt Mackenzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:04 pmIIRC there is only one "honorary" GM still alive - our own Penrose.
HGs, of course, was.
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Peter Lee, British champion in 1965 and subsequently one of England's top bridge players, has also been awarded the FM title.Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:45 amThe good news is that the title application has now been passed on to FIDE. Efficient work by the IRO, Dave Clayton!
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Yes, I have known for about a week that Peter Markland has received his deserved FIDE Master title, but the ECF requested that I refrain from announcing it ahead of their announcement. I am delighted that Peter Lee has also been awarded the title.
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Now for my next question on this subject to those more in the know than I am.
Does a score of 5/9 against a tournament average of 2513.3, with the tournament compromised of 6 GMs, 2 IMs and two untitled players, with a sole unrated player (being the player scoring the 5/9), with eight nationalities represented, earn an IM norm?
By my reckoning it is more than ample, but I know nothing worthwhile of these things.
Does a score of 5/9 against a tournament average of 2513.3, with the tournament compromised of 6 GMs, 2 IMs and two untitled players, with a sole unrated player (being the player scoring the 5/9), with eight nationalities represented, earn an IM norm?
By my reckoning it is more than ample, but I know nothing worthwhile of these things.
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You would have to know the date as well, to see what regulations applied at the time. Post the crosstable!Paul McKeown wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:04 amNow for my next question on this subject to those more in the know than I am.
Does a score of 5/9 against a tournament average of 2513.3, with the tournament compromised of 6 GMs, 2 IMs and two untitled players, with a sole unrated player (being the player scoring the 5/9), with eight nationalities represented, earn an IM norm?
By my reckoning it is more than ample, but I know nothing worthwhile of these things.
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