The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Paul Heaton » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:16 pm

Even in 1994 Fritz 2 was beating a whole host of top GMs- Kasparov, Short, Gelfand, Kramnik, Anand- at a Munich Blitz tournament.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:20 pm

Richard Bates wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:12 pm
Computers on ICC in 2001 were easily good enough to murder human players at blitz speeds. The best humans could only really compete at slower time controls.
yes but did you see the way they played- not 1 f3 2 Kf2 for sure, no strategy at all 5 moves ahead.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:22 pm

Paul Heaton wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:16 pm
Even in 1994 Fritz 2 was beating a whole host of top GMs- Kasparov, Short, Gelfand, Kramnik, Anand- at a Munich Blitz tournament.
they did it using tactics alone

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:25 pm

it could have been bobby with a computer assistance but it wasnt i was winning against grandmasters without any assistance, and I can assure you I am not Bobby. I am a welshman aged 51, who learnt chess aged 5 in 1976, but who didnt take up chess seriously until 1990. The remarkable thing is my lack of success otb, since, more than my success. Despite being a strong player, but, it can be explained by my nerves and the strange strength of my opponents at even beginner standard. For example ive had a 60 grade player play a 12 move 24 plies combination against me, i couldnt believe it.
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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:32 pm

i am just a lone person, i am not kgb, i am not trying to make a fool of Nigel, i dont have access to much technology-i have been frisked twice at otb and im sure they found nothing as theyre was nothing to find. I have draws against grandmasters on zoom, online.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Richard Bates » Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:00 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:20 pm
Richard Bates wrote:
Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:12 pm
Computers on ICC in 2001 were easily good enough to murder human players at blitz speeds. The best humans could only really compete at slower time controls.
yes but did you see the way they played- not 1 f3 2 Kf2 for sure, no strategy at all 5 moves ahead.
It’s true - 1.f3 2. Kf2 shows a deep human understanding of chess indicative emphasising long term strategical advantages over short term tactics.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:34 am

I think from what ive been told that the handles guest71 and guest2563 acted like real guest accounts but i think that was because they were turned into guest accounts after i set them up- for some strange unfathomable reason.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sat Jul 02, 2022 5:46 am

This game is an example of my recent play and my game losing mistakes due to running out of energy the 12 Bxe5 was a mistake but if 12...dxe5 then 13 Qh5+ was intended

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:02 am

and if you think the above game is manufactured or done by cheating, regular contributor to this forum Matt Mackenzie from millom was there and saw a lot of the game, it was played a few weeks ago

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:38 pm

Who am I you might ask? why havent you heard of me? Am I a nut? well the jury is out on the last one. I am Alan M Llewellyn, my fide is only 1492 elo and my ecf isnt much better at 1583. I am a welshman moved to england aged 1, lived in argentina as well as a child, born 1971. Into rugby as a welshman. And in 1976 i was introduced to chess, but although i played lots as a child i didnt enter any official tournaments or go to a club or indeed read any books on chess.
In 1990 that changed and in my third or fourth game I beat a 150 grade BCF(1800 elo) and soon later got a draw vs a 152. My grade increased fast from 97 in my second season to 113 to 123 to 135 to 153 or something like that, my most recent rapidplay grades have been higher than my current 1583 standard rating at 1773 which shows something about my play which is i move way too fast due to a breakdown i had, causing me concentration issues. I tend as a result to think in my opponents time and if he plays one of the moves i thought he was going to make, I play nearly instantly. I dont make many mistakes in my play but enough mistakes not to do really well ever.
Which is why you havent heard of me.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:19 pm

Just to confirm that the above game is very real, and I saw it unfold myself.

Not just that, but 18 Qd4! might well have won the league title for Barrow.
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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:59 pm

matt is an ex-millom player-now a barrow player- we just happen to be at the same club now. i am ex-ulverston now Barrow. I dont know if matt has said this but he is a super strong player with draws against grandmasters, i think. He is 192 grade in old money and we are definitely two different people and he owes me no favours.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Sun Jul 03, 2022 8:12 am

ive been in contact with latenight (marty) the owner of ICC and he is going to raise the issue of the fischer? match with his admin, i have sent an email also to the admin(at the ICC) and am awaiting a reply. My fiancee is out of bounds at the moment i would rather not go to her for info and evidence, because we are estranged at her insistence.

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Tue Jul 05, 2022 6:33 pm

the best available(popular) engine in 2001 was fritz 5.32 and i remember it looked 8 moves ahead (16 plies) but beyond that it had no strategy and a small book. It was capable of beating nigel 11-1 but no way with those moves its play was characteristically tactical and it would get into trouble often strategically then find the only tactical way out. Thats how it played ie wooden

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Re: The 2001 Fischer internet hoax

Post by Joey Stewart » Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:26 pm

Everyone in 2001 were a bunch of hackers with nothing like the level of long term careful strategic play you see employed in the game now so I can believe that even an engine with poor strategy but great short term tactical vision would get plenty of results against GMs who would dive into messy positions head first assuming they will outplay their opponent, especially if they thought it was a human...
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.