Cheating in chess

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Roger de Coverly
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:07 pm

Alex Holowczak wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:03 pm
So there's no real gain to be had for delaying the broadcast.
It's an obstacle though and your anti-cheating arbiter can note the frequent spectator interest.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Alex Holowczak » Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:09 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:07 pm
Alex Holowczak wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 7:03 pm
So there's no real gain to be had for delaying the broadcast.
It's an obstacle though and your anti-cheating arbiter can note the frequent spectator interest.
Indeed. The problem is there are that many players, and that few arbiters, that we can't realistically keep track of that anyway.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger Lancaster » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:01 pm

E Michael White wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:38 pm
Scanning wands seem to be metal detectors; why is it assumed that an information receiving device contains metal ?
This question also occurred to me - can anyone answer?

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Daniel Gormally » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:16 pm

Never heard of a wooden microchip

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by NickFaulks » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:01 pm

E Michael White wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:38 pm
Scanning wands seem to be metal detectors; why is it assumed that an information receiving device contains metal?
Possibly because one that doesn't has never been caught!

More seriously, I have read that the security services are troubled by the proliferation of things that do not interest a metal detector.
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Roger Lancaster
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger Lancaster » Sat Dec 14, 2019 9:12 pm

Daniel Gormally wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:16 pm
Never heard of a wooden microchip
I'm the last person to claim expertise here but I think silicon, for example, is a metalloid - being neither a metal nor a "non-metal".

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:59 am

If E Michael White asks a question like that, it is serious.

Silicon is a metalloid.

Security services are indeed concerned by things that are not metal. Guns made entirely of plastics are available. That's one of the reasons Airport Security staff aggressively search people in a legalised indecent assault manner.

Roger de Coverly
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:59 pm

There are some new guidelines as to how 4NCL events will be policed.

http://www.4ncl.co.uk/download/special/ ... Policy.pdf

There's a logical hole in them. Having brought a device into the playing area and placed it in a bag, there's no statement as to how you remove it once your game is completed.

Another practical one. Having finished the game and retired to your hotel room with full access to analysis facilities, you observe that one of the games remaining in a team match has reached an endgame tablebase position. You look it up. To what extent should you be precluded from discussing the assessment with the rest of your team?

Another thought occurred to me is that monitoring Bluetooth and wireless signals may be necessary. Probably not so easy with all the signals from arbiter's devices and DGT Boards.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Mick Norris » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:12 am

100% better than not having guidelines
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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Stewart Reuben » Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:29 pm

Roger >Another practical one. Having finished the game and retired to your hotel room with full access to analysis facilities, you observe that one of the games remaining in a team match has reached an endgame tablebase position. You look it up. To what extent should you be precluded from discussing the assessment with the rest of your team? <

Having left the playing venue at the Olympiad, you are not allowed to re-enter without permission. This particularly applies to the non-playing captain.

In all international events, you are not allowed to leave the playing area when it is your move.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Sat Dec 21, 2019 8:48 am

Amazon sends me a daily list of things they want me to buy.

Today they are all hand-held metal detectors...

High Performance Portable Hand Held Metal Detector MCD-3003B1 is the cheapest. (£10 - 15, depending on special offers)

Edit - (Other suppliers and detectors are available.)

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Alex McFarlane » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:11 am

All tournament organisers should supply a scanner. If buying one make sure that it has a sound on/off option.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:30 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:59 pm
There are some new guidelines as to how 4NCL events will be policed.

http://www.4ncl.co.uk/download/special/ ... Policy.pdf
They conflict with the 4NCL rules to some extent, which presumably take precedence at the 4NCL, despite what the policy says in its Scope section. For example, the 4NCL rules require electronic devices brought into the playing venue by a player to be placed in a bag under the player's table. These guidelines only restrict what can be done with electronic devices in the playing area; you can store them anywhere you like that's in the playing venue but outside the playing area.

The restrictions on communication during games also seem excessive to me. Two players in one team cannot, for example, discuss the likely results of games in a different match that matters to them. Nor can a player ask anyone, other than an arbiter or hotel staff member, what the result of any finished game was if they're still playing.

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by JustinHorton » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:49 pm

The hotel staff members know this stuff?
"Do you play chess?"
"Yes, but I prefer a game with a better chance of cheating."

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Re: Cheating in chess

Post by Neil Graham » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:14 pm

JustinHorton wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:49 pm
The hotel staff members know this stuff?
No of course they don't. At the end of every match table there is a result sheet placed there by the arbiters. Provided that players fill in their result when their game has finished it's easy to follow progress in any match.