Preferential Treatment

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Preferential Treatment

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Apr 25, 2025 12:42 am

Just out of curiosity, at club level, does anyone have any expereince where their club had a player who was the strongest, or perhaps eccentric, and did they get any preferential treatment in any respects? If so, what was it? For example, perhaps a drink being bought cordially for them, or perhaps a favoured seat or playing area/location, perhaps a certain board/clock that they preferred or had set aside for them only? Just curious. I can understand this occuring with titled and professional players but I was thinking more about the comings and goings of club chess and those of us below that level. Any creatures of habit that used to get certain preferences or advantages that you recall from personal experience?

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Jon Mahony » Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:50 am

Back in the old Leeds Chess Club days we had a Strong player, who was a professional dole collector (and truth be told a complete bell-end as well). Our club sectary at the time (who I still am in touch with, he is an occasional poster on here) was keen on having a strong A team and liked to have him around - watching him trying to collect club subs from The Workshy Master was always comical - it would cost Mr Secretary about 3 pints of cider and half a packet of fags to soften the blow of the other, having to open his wallet :lol: He probably left the club in profit, every time he had to pay those subs.
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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by MJMcCready » Fri Apr 25, 2025 5:48 pm

Interesting, thanks.

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Joey Stewart » Sun Apr 27, 2025 3:40 pm

I'm sure there are loads of clubs all around the country where someone gets special treatment for an eccentricity which should not really be tolerated but they provide enough value elsewhere to not be worth rocking the boat - generally it will either be very strong players or those who provide a vital service like club admin, financial support or maybe even providing a whole venue.

I wouldn't count on too many people publicly naming names though, since the chess world is pretty small it's not usually hard to trace a culprit and unless they are really deserving of the shaming by being obnoxious it's probably best to just let them be.
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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by MJMcCready » Sun Apr 27, 2025 5:29 pm

Yes fair point but it isnt necessary to name names, I was thinking more in terms of what went on rather than who did what.

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by John Upham » Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:31 pm

Is eccentricity a form of neuro diversity? Any experts out there?
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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by MJMcCready » Mon Apr 28, 2025 1:27 am

That is very open to interpretation and debate.

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Richard James » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:56 am

John Upham wrote:
Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:31 pm
Is eccentricity a form of neuro diversity? Any experts out there?
I consider myself something of an expert on this subject, but it's far too complex to discuss here. I might write much more elsewhere at some point.

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Richard James » Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:57 am

Back in the 1980s, Gene Veglio, the nicest person I've ever met, was our club's social secretary. Every week he'd make coffee for our members and guests. Knowing that I wasn't a coffee drinker, he'd also bring in a bottle of whisky every week and pour me a glass.

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:46 am

Richard James wrote:
Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:57 am
Back in the 1980s, Gene Veglio, the nicest person I've ever met, was our club's social secretary. Every week he'd make coffee for our members and guests. Knowing that I wasn't a coffee drinker, he'd also bring in a bottle of whisky every week and pour me a glass.
In 1935 he finished on 10/11 in a tournament at the British Championships, but still finished a point behind the winner!
https://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/pgn/19 ... iewer.html

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Richard James » Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:12 am

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Mon Apr 28, 2025 9:46 am
Richard James wrote:
Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:57 am
Back in the 1980s, Gene Veglio, the nicest person I've ever met, was our club's social secretary. Every week he'd make coffee for our members and guests. Knowing that I wasn't a coffee drinker, he'd also bring in a bottle of whisky every week and pour me a glass.
In 1935 he finished on 10/11 in a tournament at the British Championships, but still finished a point behind the winner!
https://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/pgn/19 ... iewer.html
He did indeed. He and the tournament winner, Aird Thomson, were reunited years later at Richmond & Twickenham Chess Club.

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Geoff Chandler » Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:56 am

Played over the deciding game on Britbase between these two. A Symmetrical London System. Looks like White should have played 9.Ba3 but went for a line that looked O.K. (I'd have given it a good look) White's Queen got trapped and had to play on a piece down.

G. Veglio - A.A. Thomson, British Ch,3rd class 1935



Edit: Just found out Alexander Thomson played Yehudi Menuhin. Yehudi was winning but tripped up. Suggested puns; 'Err on the g-file?' or 'Aird on the G string' (!) I have gone for 'The Fiddler fiddled.'

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by John Clarke » Mon Apr 28, 2025 12:14 pm

The only example I ever came across was during an all-against-all lightning match I took part in. One elderly gentleman at the host club got to play all his games sitting at a particular table right under one of the lights. But, we were told, he had impaired vision, so fair enough.
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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Jon D'Souza-Eva » Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:06 pm

Richard James wrote:
Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:57 am
Back in the 1980s, Gene Veglio, the nicest person I've ever met, was our club's social secretary. Every week he'd make coffee for our members and guests. Knowing that I wasn't a coffee drinker, he'd also bring in a bottle of whisky every week and pour me a glass.
I've just received an email from one of the granddaughters of Gene Veglio. She confirmed my suspicion that he was the Luigi Giovianni Martino Veglio who was born on the 1st August, 1912, and died on the 6th February, 1993. His nickname was Gino - perhaps Gene was a name he used at Richmond Chess Club?
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pe ... s/PSHD-79L

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Re: Preferential Treatment

Post by Richard James » Tue Apr 29, 2025 3:16 pm

Jon D'Souza-Eva wrote:
Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:06 pm
Richard James wrote:
Mon Apr 28, 2025 8:57 am
Back in the 1980s, Gene Veglio, the nicest person I've ever met, was our club's social secretary. Every week he'd make coffee for our members and guests. Knowing that I wasn't a coffee drinker, he'd also bring in a bottle of whisky every week and pour me a glass.
I've just received an email from one of the granddaughters of Gene Veglio. She confirmed my suspicion that he was the Luigi Giovianni Martino Veglio who was born on the 1st August, 1912, and died on the 6th February, 1993. His nickname was Gino - perhaps Gene was a name he used at Richmond Chess Club?
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pe ... s/PSHD-79L
He was known as Gene within the chess community, but close friends, such as Aird Thomson, IIRC, called him Gino.

Yes, I'd got that information as well. I'm planning to write a Minor Piece about Gene at some point in the future. His ancestors were Ticinese Swiss who came over in the 19th century to work in the restaurant trade - which is, in itself, an interesting story.