Arbiting question and rating gap
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Arbiting question and rating gap
I ran an event at the weekend and have both an arbiting and more frivolous question.
The arbiting question: White picks up Ra1 intending to move to Rf1, accidentally drops it on Rb1 losing contact, immediately picks it up again to move to Rf1.
Both players agreed on the facts and that the dropping on b1 was clearly accidental; Black's claim was that White has to play Rb1 (as Black had a rook on b2, and was a rook down at this point, the decision mattered)
My ruling was that Rb1 was played, grounds being (a) 4.2.2 refers to clearly accidental contact, but makes no reference to clearly accidental loss of contact (whether it SHOULD refer to this being moot for this purpose) (b) 4.7 is clear and does not seem to allow exceptions.
Opinions?
The more frivolous question is that in the same section, the rating gap between the top seed and the next player was almost 1000 ECF points (982 to be precise). Are there similar examples?
The arbiting question: White picks up Ra1 intending to move to Rf1, accidentally drops it on Rb1 losing contact, immediately picks it up again to move to Rf1.
Both players agreed on the facts and that the dropping on b1 was clearly accidental; Black's claim was that White has to play Rb1 (as Black had a rook on b2, and was a rook down at this point, the decision mattered)
My ruling was that Rb1 was played, grounds being (a) 4.2.2 refers to clearly accidental contact, but makes no reference to clearly accidental loss of contact (whether it SHOULD refer to this being moot for this purpose) (b) 4.7 is clear and does not seem to allow exceptions.
Opinions?
The more frivolous question is that in the same section, the rating gap between the top seed and the next player was almost 1000 ECF points (982 to be precise). Are there similar examples?
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Re: Arbiting question and rating gap
You should have applied Law 7.4.1.
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Re: Arbiting question and rating gap
Was Black genuinely claiming the game ( in effect ), rather than just making a point that the Laws are faulty? If the former, then Black should be shamed by his peers into never playing again.Joseph Conlon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:10 pmBoth players agreed on the facts and that the dropping on b1 was clearly accidental; Black's claim was that White has to play Rb1
I think I remember a case where Jon Speelman was the unwilling beneficiary of a perverse arbiter's ruling and cut through it by offering a draw on the spot.
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I think that you should have allowed White to play Rf1, applying one of the tenets of the Preface:Joseph Conlon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:10 pmMy ruling was that Rb1 was played, grounds being (a) 4.2.2 refers to clearly accidental contact, but makes no reference to clearly accidental loss of contact (whether it SHOULD refer to this being moot for this purpose) (b) 4.7 is clear and does not seem to allow exceptions.
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Re: Arbiting question and rating gap
Black was a rook down, so this brought Black to parity. Touch-move claims and illegal move claims, in every possible variety, are common in junior chess; I think your approach is rather draconian.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:24 amWas Black genuinely claiming the game ( in effect ), rather than just making a point that the Laws are faulty? If the former, then Black should be shamed by his peers into never playing again.Joseph Conlon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:10 pmBoth players agreed on the facts and that the dropping on b1 was clearly accidental; Black's claim was that White has to play Rb1
I think I remember a case where Jon Speelman was the unwilling beneficiary of a perverse arbiter's ruling and cut through it by offering a draw on the spot.
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You are correct except that I do not accept that the arbiter's ruling was perverse. Quite the contrary.NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:24 amI think I remember a case where Jon Speelman was the unwilling beneficiary of a perverse arbiter's ruling and cut through it by offering a draw on the spot.
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It is not clear from my post whether it is the arbiter or the ruling which is being described as perverse . Either way, that is probably unfair. If the Laws do not give the arbiter discretion to allow a piece to be immediately j'adoubed to the square where both players agree it was intended to be, then I think they should.David Sedgwick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:04 amYou are correct except that I do not accept that the arbiter's ruling was perverse. Quite the contrary.
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Yes. A few years ago two Ukrainian masters found themselves close to the top of ( separately ) the rapid and blitz rating lists. All they had done was to play in local tournaments where they were overwhelmingly the best player and win all of their games, which at that time gave them buckets of rating points.* However, FIDE Council deemed this to be cheating, they were both punished and their federation was censured by a unanimous vote of the General Assembly. So you have to be careful!Joseph Conlon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:10 pmThe more frivolous question is that in the same section, the rating gap between the top seed and the next player was almost 1000 ECF points (982 to be precise). Are there similar examples?
Actually, even if your event had been FIDE rated I expect you would be ok, provided that your federation is not out of favour with FIDE. That seems to be the crucial consideration in such cases.
*One good outcome from this sad affair was that we finally managed to push through an amendment to the regulations which removed this feature. I had wanted that for years, but had been stymied by a small but influential federation which had been relying heavily on the mechanism.
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Re: Arbiting question and rating gap
I hope it's OK, as the event will be FIDE rated! It was an U18 event, the player in question is local and entered along with others from his school (where the event was advertised).NickFaulks wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:34 amActually, even if your event had been FIDE rated I expect you would be ok, provided that your federation is not out of favour with FIDE. That seems to be the crucial consideration in such cases.
*One good outcome from this sad affair was that we finally managed to push through an amendment to the regulations which removed this feature. I had wanted that for years, but had been stymied by a small but influential federation which had been relying heavily on the mechanism.
Despite the rating gap, one of the games was far far closer than it had any right to be, with an unrated player entering the endgame actually better (before finally losing).