outrageous escape

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by Roger Lancaster » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:57 am

I think we've got the gist of this without more examples. When Alan finds a swindle, it's clever. When his opponent finds a swindle, they're cheating.

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:34 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:45 am
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black to try a swindle which came off remarkably
Unlike positions 1 - 3, where there's a forced win/draw, or position 5, where's there's an obvious way Black could blunder into a mate, I'm struggling to see a swindle in this position. If this game ended in a draw White must have blundered in a way that's not obvious from the starting position.
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Re: outrageous escape

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:38 pm

I'm guessing that it finished 1...Rc8 2.bxc8Q?? stalemate.

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by Wadih Khoury » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:39 pm

I suspect a stalemate trick, maybe Rc8?

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:40 pm

yes your both right

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by Chris Goodall » Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:17 pm

Genuinely impressed; I can't think of any motif of which I could immediately call to mind five examples from my own games.
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Re: outrageous escape

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:53 pm

i have about 40 examples like these from my best moves list here (click on the name in the list and a diagram and moves played and game list will come up) http://alanllewellynchess.co.uk/moves.htm

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:58 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:38 pm
I'm guessing that it finished 1...Rc8 2.bxc8Q?? stalemate.
If it had been an online game, I could believe that White might think the move was a mouse slip and just take the rook. But in an OTB game with a 30 seconds a move increment ...?
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Re: outrageous escape

Post by Geoff Chandler » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:00 pm

Hi Alan,

Any chance names as well as places and dates could be given in OTB games.

I run a 'Always Pause Before Promoting' section and I like number four. 1...Rc8.


I have many examples where a player has automatically taken a Queen and stalemate.
This one also fits under the 'Game Over Blunder' highlighting when we are at the most vulnerable...
...playing the 'they must resign now move.'

It would quite funny (or tragic) if the player had spotted 2.bxc8=Q is a stalemate so took a Bishop instead.

Edit: I thought I read Position 4 was from the Bedford Open. If it was an online game there quite understandable.

Edit 2. Misread the I'f' it was an online game...good an OTB game.

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:26 pm

pos 4 game

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:37 pm

pos 2 game

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:46 pm

pos 3 game

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:49 pm

pos 5 game

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Re: outrageous escape

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:09 pm

Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:57 am
I think we've got the gist of this without more examples. When Alan finds a swindle, it's clever. When his opponent finds a swindle, they're cheating.
Really not a terribly helpful comment.
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Re: outrageous escape

Post by Geoff Chandler » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:10 pm

Thanks Alan,

I'll use the Bedford game v Brian. (I'll post a link when it's up)
Have a few online examples but often that is because the players promote to a Queen
without a choice because unknown to them that is their current default setting.
Red Hot Pawn had a, '...always promote to Queen setting' that caused some grumbling and mumbling, all good fun.

Sorry about the online not online confusion, my old eyes play up.
I have to + 130 the screen to see what is being said but back to 100% to see a diagram.
I missed the 'if' and read it as ;'It was an online game.