ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

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ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:25 am

If you're using an engine to do "Full Analysis" of a game, the display normally looks like the screenshot.

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If you close the engine's assessment and best line window, how do you get it back again? I could find no way of doing this other than restoring the "Houdini 3 Analysis.cblay" file from backup.

(I'm using the Houdini 3 GUI, but I assume the question and answer would apply to any of ChessBase's engine GUI's.)

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:32 pm

i dont use full analysis i run a kibitz engine and move through the moves looking for turning points in the game and analysing my thoughts on various combinations i spotted during the game, and if i make a mistake painstakingly trying to find a way out of the mistake if in future i come across a similar position.

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:35 pm

i also use the most human of engines fritz 14 so that my thought processes arent confused by computer logic that no person could emulate over the board

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by Colin Purdon » Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:56 pm

I am currently unable to access a PC and so can't test this myself, but does the key combination Ctrl K help in this situation?

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by Roland Kensdale » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:33 pm

I use the Fritz GUI. From memory you can select which windows you want to display. If the display becomes too confused you can reset to default display and then try to add back any additional windows you wish to see.

I haven't done this during full analysis. Not convenient to check at the moment (very slow laptop and a bit late !)

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by Roland Kensdale » Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:02 am

May not be relevant but found this: http://help.chessbase.com/Houdini/15/En ... 000017.htm

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:39 pm

Thanks for the suggestions, which I've now tried.
Colin Purdon wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:56 pm
does the key combination Ctrl K help in this situation?
That just starts an engine. In my situation, the engine's running but I can't see its evaluation. <Ctrl>+K didn't change anything.
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Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:02 am
May not be relevant but found this: http://help.chessbase.com/Houdini/15/En ... 000017.htm
I'd already looked through the manual and didn't find anything about opening the Evaluation window. Your other suggestion of resetting to the default display led me to Standard Layouts in the manual, so I tried <Ctrl>+8 and <Ctrl><Shift><Alt>+F9. Although they work from other windows neither had any effect in the Full Analysis window, but that could be because the program becomes very slow to respond to/unresponsive to inputs when the engine is running.

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:50 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:39 pm
Thanks for the suggestions, which I've now tried.
Colin Purdon wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:56 pm
does the key combination Ctrl K help in this situation?
That just starts an engine. In my situation, the engine's running but I can't see its evaluation. <Ctrl>+K didn't change anything.
Roland Kensdale wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:02 am
May not be relevant but found this: http://help.chessbase.com/Houdini/15/En ... 000017.htm
I'd already looked through the manual and didn't find anything about opening the Evaluation window. Your other suggestion of resetting to the default display led me to Standard Layouts in the manual, so I tried <Ctrl>+8 and <Ctrl><Shift><Alt>+F9. Although they work from other windows neither had any effect in the Full Analysis window, but that could be because the program becomes very slow to respond to/unresponsive to inputs when the engine is running.
try adding kibitz window in the ordinary set up- full analysis mode isnt important to analyse, did you just ignore my suggestion?

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:05 pm

a kibitz window is an analysis window

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:48 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:50 pm
did you just ignore my suggestion?
As it didn't answer the question I raised, yes.

If you want to have a discussion about how to make best use of an engine to analyse games then that needs a new topic starting.

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:49 pm

alright what does full analysis do that an analysis window opened in ordinary mode with a livebook pain open doesnt do?? i am confused by your conservatism?!!?!?!?

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:04 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:49 pm
alright what does full analysis do that an analysis window opened in ordinary mode with a livebook pain open doesnt do??
Analyse a whole game with no user interaction required.

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:10 pm

it seems to me it is better to learn with computer interaction with a human but silly me what do i understand

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by AlanLlewellyn » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:12 pm

the skills of analysis are key to playing good chess and you cant take a computer with you atleast not in heaven

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Re: ChessBase Engine Analysis Problem

Post by Ian Thompson » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:13 pm

AlanLlewellyn wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:10 pm
it seems to me it is better to learn with computer interaction with a human but silly me what do i understand
Ian Thompson wrote:
Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:48 pm
If you want to have a discussion about how to make best use of an engine to analyse games then that needs a new topic starting.

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