Magnus will not defend his title

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by Richard Bates » Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:50 pm

In purely financial terms, if he cares about that which I suspect he does, the loss of the title of World Champion will come with consequences, I suspect.

Lots of people commenting how the title will become devalued to those in the chess world who understand that they aren’t the best player, but still if most people understand World Champion to be shorthand for “best player”, not being able to use it will be a big loss.

Maybe he’ll enter the next candidates cycle…

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:20 pm

...that will be the reason Richard.

He was fed up seeing other players winning big money in the candidates and he was not allowed to play in it.

Of course FIDE could play the snide and not allow him back into to World Championship citing
if you win the candidates you will not play the in the match so what's the point.
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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:35 am

MJMcCready wrote:
Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:12 pm
And on a scale of 1-20, what are the chances of Nepo dropping out?
Don't understand.
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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by NickFaulks » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:38 am

Richard Bates wrote:
Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:50 pm
In purely financial terms, if he cares about that which I suspect he does, the loss of the title of World Champion will come with consequences, I suspect.
I don't think the Carlsen brand needs FIDE so much now, but they can and probably will still work together.
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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by Geoff Chandler » Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:05 am

Nepo dropping out? That might complete the set of, shall we say 'Good Luck' Ding has had.

First of all he gets a place in the candidates because Karjakin was a fool and got himself kick out.
Next he is the final because Carlsen has quit.
If Nepo for some reason forfeits the match (cannot think why - how about; 'If I cannot play Carlsen then I won't play anybody.'
Ding is the champ. Of course, he may refuse to take the title on these terms stating; If I cannot play Carlsen then I won't play anybody.'

Fide will then go down the list trying to award the title to anybody who will take it.
Nobody wants it, Carlsen is declared the world champion till the end of time.

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by MJMcCready » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:55 am

Nick Burrows wrote:
Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:57 pm
I think it's a good decision.

He doesn't need the money. He has nothing to prove as it's absolutely crystal clear that he's the best player in the world.

The demands of modern match preparation make him unhappy - so why continue?
I'm sure he doesn't need the money but it would have been nice to see him overtaking former champions in terms of longevity on the throne.

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by MJMcCready » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:09 am

Richard Bates wrote:
Wed Jul 20, 2022 8:50 pm
In purely financial terms, if he cares about that which I suspect he does, the loss of the title of World Champion will come with consequences, I suspect.

Lots of people commenting how the title will become devalued to those in the chess world who understand that they aren’t the best player, but still if most people understand World Champion to be shorthand for “best player”, not being able to use it will be a big loss.

Maybe he’ll enter the next candidates cycle…
Well, it's not the first time the FIDE Championship has been devalued but also Magnus is very good for marketing purposes, so him not being there will cause a loss in revenue for sure.

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by MJMcCready » Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:10 am

NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:35 am
MJMcCready wrote:
Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:12 pm
And on a scale of 1-20, what are the chances of Nepo dropping out?
Don't understand.
I meant is it likely that Nepo will follow suit.

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by LawrenceCooper » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:18 am

What odds can I get on Magnus winning the Candidates but not playing the match afterwards? :oops:

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by MJMcCready » Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:38 am

20 years down the line you might get odds on it. If he is overtaken in the rating list by the then current world champion, we might see him try and make a comeback I guess.

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:42 am

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:05 am
Nepo dropping out? That might complete the set of, shall we say 'Good Luck' Ding has had.

First of all he gets a place in the candidates because Karjakin was a fool and got himself kick out.
Next he is the final because Carlsen has quit.
If Nepo for some reason forfeits the match (cannot think why - how about; 'If I cannot play Carlsen then I won't play anybody.'
Ding is the champ.
According to Sutovsky:
  • If Nepomniachtchi dropped out, he would be replaced by Radjabov (3rd place in Candidates).
  • If only one of Nepomniachtchi, Ding Liren and Radjabov was prepared to play, the other player would be the highest rated player in the Jan 2023 rating list (Firouzja on current ratings).
Although Sutovsky didn't say it explicitly, he implied that if none of Nepomniachtchi, Ding Liren and Radjabov were prepared to play, the match would be between the two highest rated players in the Jan 2023 rating list (Firouzja and Caruana on current ratings).

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by Mike Gunn » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:22 pm

I think Magnus's withdrawal will be good if it leads to going back to a 3 year cycle and doing away with the rapid/ blitz tiebreaks. Magnus has clearly been the WC on merit but his WC matches have been less interesting/ entertaining/ tense than many in the past. We could get a couple of interesting matches now while FIDE sorts itself out.

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by Gerard Killoran » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:37 pm

At the risk of repeating myself, we already have a precedent in 1948 where the world champion was the winner of a tournament. The Candidates provides far more entertainment than any World Championship in recent years. The last two resembled a football World Cup final where a boring 0-0 draw, after extra time, was decided by a penalty shoot-out. Apart from boxing, which other sport decides its world champion in this way?

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:42 pm

Gerard Killoran wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:37 pm
Apart from boxing, which other sport decides its world champion in this way?
Darts and snooker are two obvious examples.

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Re: Magnus will not defend his title

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:53 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:10 am
NickFaulks wrote:
Thu Jul 21, 2022 12:35 am
MJMcCready wrote:
Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:12 pm
And on a scale of 1-20, what are the chances of Nepo dropping out?
Don't understand.
I meant is it likely that Nepo will follow suit.
Why do you think it "likely"?
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