Protocol for King placement at end of game?
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Protocol for King placement at end of game?
What is the precise ("Kings in the middle of the board" is inadequate) for the correct placement of the Kings at the end of the game in each of these three cases?
1. Win for White
2. Draw
3. Win for Black
Thanks for your help.
1. Win for White
2. Draw
3. Win for Black
Thanks for your help.
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
Win for White White King on e4
Win for Black Black king on e5
Draw Both kings on these squares
(I believe)
Win for Black Black king on e5
Draw Both kings on these squares
(I believe)
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
and is the correct protocol for DGT boards also?
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
In my memory, it all started with DGT boards. Their design avoided the seemingly obvious idea of three buttons in favour of indicating a white win by putting both kings on the white squares e4 and d5, a black win by using the dark squares d4 and e5 and a draw by opposite colour squares, That's caused trouble ever since whenever Ke4/d4/e5/d5 is legal at the end of the game.
4NCL players and captains started a convention of indicating a white win by putting the white king in the middle of the board, a black king for a black win and both kings for a draw. That spread to other match and tournament play.
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
That process is also not good for the heart of parents watching the game!
I remember this weekend at th 4ncl not believing my eyes on lichess when I thought my son's opponent rated 2000 just blundered a basic opposition. Turns out he just moved his king to e5 for the draw...
I remember this weekend at th 4ncl not believing my eyes on lichess when I thought my son's opponent rated 2000 just blundered a basic opposition. Turns out he just moved his king to e5 for the draw...
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
Dgt boards get a bit silly having to put both kings for all three results and making it confusing to look at a distance as everything looks like a draw - I much prefer a lone black/white king to indicate a win and only both kings to indicate a draw.
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
Hi Joey,
To tell a digital board to stop transmitting and electrically note the result
the Kings have to meet each other on one of the four central squares.
This has led to some humorous situations.
G. Jones - D. Gormally, Helensburgh 2013
Here with Black to move both players agreed a draw.
The Black King was placed e5 and because this was a legal move the computer
accepted and transmitted it. The White King was put on d5. End of Transmission.
But look at the position after the accepted move Ke5
People were wondering why White did not play Bg7 mate.
To tell a digital board to stop transmitting and electrically note the result
the Kings have to meet each other on one of the four central squares.
This has led to some humorous situations.
G. Jones - D. Gormally, Helensburgh 2013
Here with Black to move both players agreed a draw.
The Black King was placed e5 and because this was a legal move the computer
accepted and transmitted it. The White King was put on d5. End of Transmission.
But look at the position after the accepted move Ke5
People were wondering why White did not play Bg7 mate.
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
Especially since that is the sort of blunder that has been made "for real" even by some very strong players.
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
I get that it is necessary to end the game but it still remains a fairly awkward way to do it (would it really have killed them to put a "win" button on the side of the board) and more to the point why do they leave the kings in the silly positions for the rest of the day rather then turn off the connection, reset the pieces and place the recognised king pattern for onlookers to see
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Re: Protocol for King placement at end of game?
Hi Joey,
The board would need three buttons, White win, Black win and draw.
The king placement works, just occasionally it throws a wobbly which is more humorous than serious.
The most famous example (so far) is Wes So - Nakamura, Norway (2018)
White has just played 47 Kd4 and a draw was agreed. The King set up for a draw is BK on e5 and WK on d5.
One of the players moved the Black King to e5 first and with the White King still on d4 the board thought the
game was over and this was registered as a Black win which some websites displayed till it was corrected.
I'm guessing they have it set up all day so people can see at a glance what has happened rather than find the
noticeboard (if indeed there is one) or pester one of the arbiters with 'what happened on board 14?' questions.
The board would need three buttons, White win, Black win and draw.
The king placement works, just occasionally it throws a wobbly which is more humorous than serious.
The most famous example (so far) is Wes So - Nakamura, Norway (2018)
White has just played 47 Kd4 and a draw was agreed. The King set up for a draw is BK on e5 and WK on d5.
One of the players moved the Black King to e5 first and with the White King still on d4 the board thought the
game was over and this was registered as a Black win which some websites displayed till it was corrected.
I'm guessing they have it set up all day so people can see at a glance what has happened rather than find the
noticeboard (if indeed there is one) or pester one of the arbiters with 'what happened on board 14?' questions.