British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Discuss anything you like about chess related matters in this forum.

What is your reaction to the BCPS statement?

Poll ended at Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:30 pm

I support it
13
45%
I oppose it
14
48%
Other (please comment in the thread)
1
3%
Don't know
1
3%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:24 pm

J T Melsom wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:56 pm
The Officers as per the organisation website, although Brian Stephenson has already said he didn't have a vote, which suggests other officers may also not be on the committee.

President C. J. A. Jones
Past Presidents B. P. Barnes, N. Dennis, J. G. Grevatt, C. J. A. Jones, M. Lipton, C. C. Lytton, J. M. Rice, B. D. Stephenson, C. P. Sydenham
Vice-President I. R. Watson
Secretary C. J. A. Jones
Treasurer G. K. Hicks
Assistant Treasurer D. Friedgood
General Editor of The Problemist G. Foster
Solving Co-ordinator N. Dennis
Magazine Curator B. D. Stephenson
Webmaster B. D. Stephenson
The Past Presidents are not members of the Committee, unless they also hold another position. I am not sure whether that applies to any of the others.

For the avoidance of doubt, I said that, if so minded, I would raise the matter at the AGM, at which all paid up members can vote.

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by David Sedgwick » Wed Mar 09, 2022 10:29 pm

J T Melsom wrote:
Wed Mar 09, 2022 8:19 pm
And I'm still scratching my head at the idea that the outcome of a poll in this place would have much impact on an AGM of the BCPS, or in fairness too many other AGMs.
It is unlikely that comments made in a thread would have much impact.

However, those who respond to polls are a larger and hence potentially more representative group. Their collective opinion might carry some weight.

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by Chris Rice » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:58 pm

Past President Brian Stephenson on British Chess News comments on what looks like a bit of a meltdown at BCPS:

"The BCPS has today confirmed its ban on publishing compositions and articles by Russian and Belorussian contributors. The vote was 6 - 3 in favour of the ban. As a result of the ban we had already lost our editor and expect to lose one of our sub-editors. International comment by problemists around the world has been adverse. I haven't heard a single voice in favour, but I suppose those in favour won't bother commenting."

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:20 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:58 pm
The vote was 6 - 3 in favour of the ban.
6+3=9, which suggests that at least some of the Past Presidents with no other position are on the Committee.
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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by David Sedgwick » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:05 pm

Chris Rice wrote:
Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:58 pm
Past President Brian Stephenson on British Chess News comments on what looks like a bit of a meltdown at BCPS:

"The BCPS has today confirmed its ban on publishing compositions and articles by Russian and Belorussian contributors. The vote was 6 - 3 in favour of the ban. As a result of the ban we had already lost our editor and expect to lose one of our sub-editors. International comment by problemists around the world has been adverse. I haven't heard a single voice in favour, but I suppose those in favour won't bother commenting."
Brian Stephenson's comments are on the BCN Facebook page, not on the BCN website itself.

The link is https://www.facebook.com/groups/britishchess.

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by David Sedgwick » Sat Mar 26, 2022 2:58 pm

Bump!

A reminder that the poll closes in four days.

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by Joey Stewart » Sat Mar 26, 2022 3:27 pm

I suspect everyone who still remains on the forum has voted by now
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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by Chris Goodall » Sun Mar 27, 2022 4:37 pm

Yeah, split down the middle, is what our reactions are. If it suddenly swung decisively one way at this point, you shouldn't trust it.
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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by David Sedgwick » Sun Apr 03, 2022 1:45 pm

The poll has closed with 13 supporting the BCPS statement, 14 opposing, 1 other and 1 don't know.

I won't be taking any action or making any further comment.

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by J T Melsom » Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:44 pm

'I won't be taking any action or making any further comment.' :roll:

Was there any outcome which might have prompted action other than a vote which decisively confirmed your own view?

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by David Sedgwick » Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:10 pm

J T Melsom wrote:
Sun Apr 03, 2022 10:44 pm
'I won't be taking any action or making any further comment.' :roll:

Was there any outcome which might have prompted action other than a vote which decisively confirmed your own view?
Yes.

But you are very low down the list of people to whom I would wish to reveal:

a) what my view is and how I voted in the poll;

b) what outcomes might have prompted me to take any action;

c) what such action might have been.

I have no idea what I have ever done to you which has caused you to malign me at every conceivable opportunity, however spurious your complaint. But I am past caring.

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by John Upham » Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:49 pm

David Sedgwick wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 2:10 pm
I have no idea what I have ever done to you which has caused you to malign me at every conceivable opportunity, however spurious your complaint. But I am past caring.
David,

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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by J T Melsom » Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:02 pm

I've criticised David's posts not his character. His contribution to chess has largely gone without comment, but impressive though that may be, it doesn't exempt him from having his views challenged just like others who have contributed less.

John Upham likes people to raise matters with him in private message. This allows him to treat posters in a way which would otherwise be in breach of community standards.
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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by NickFaulks » Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:20 pm

J T Melsom wrote:
Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:02 pm
it doesn't exempt him from having his views challenged
Except in this case you don't know what they are, because he has not said.
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Re: British Chess Problem Society Statement Regarding Ukraine

Post by J T Melsom » Mon Apr 04, 2022 3:25 pm

In this instance I don't know David's view, but my initial contribution to this thread questioned the purpose of the poll not views. David has accused me of maligning him at every opportunity which clearly goes beyond the one thread, hence my more general reply.