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Next English GM
The post earlier today about saddler getting to the number 1 spot in England got me thinking, it feels like ages since we last had anyone get the GM title - possibly as long back as when Jonathan Hawkins got his.
I wondered who might be the next to get the big one since there are lots of up and coming players who have for one reason or another all missed it- after a great British you would think Marcus Harvey probably but he has still not even got an IM title despite playing at Level equal to or above that, so unless he is allowed to skip the IM title it might still be a few years.
I wondered who might be the next to get the big one since there are lots of up and coming players who have for one reason or another all missed it- after a great British you would think Marcus Harvey probably but he has still not even got an IM title despite playing at Level equal to or above that, so unless he is allowed to skip the IM title it might still be a few years.
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Re: Next English GM
England's performance at the European Championship in 2021 was forgettable but it did include Ravi Haria gaining the 2 or 3 Elo points he needed to reach 2500 and thus gain the title. This was after a series of Norms over the summer. Fernandez was the other player to become a GM relatively recently. Admittedly he's mostly been in Australia since gaining the title.Joey Stewart wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:29 amThe post earlier today about saddler getting to the number 1 spot in England got me thinking,it feels like ages since we last had anyone
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So England is not likely to be the force it has been for a few decades now in the not too distant future?
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I cannot even guess what that might mean.
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Re: Next English GM
I would suggest a mistaken belief that either:
- You can't become a GM without first being an IM
- That a GM norm that is used to claim an IM title can't also subsequently be used to claim a GM title
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Marcus Harvey I believe is entirely self-coached and possibly always has been. Out of interest are there many GMs who avoided the years of expensive chess coaching and took the DIY approach?
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Marcus had his IM title application approved by FIDE, see the bottom of his FIDE profile: https://ratings.fide.com/profile/400092 I think it's about 60 days from the award before he officially becomes an IM in terms of opponents playing him.Joey Stewart wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:29 amThe post earlier today about saddler getting to the number 1 spot in England got me thinking, it feels like ages since we last had anyone get the GM title - possibly as long back as when Jonathan Hawkins got his.
I wondered who might be the next to get the big one since there are lots of up and coming players who have for one reason or another all missed it- after a great British you would think Marcus Harvey probably but he has still not even got an IM title despite playing at Level equal to or above that, so unless he is allowed to skip the IM title it might still be a few years.
Ravi Haria has a GM title application submitted to FIDE.
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In 2021 there have been four FIDE playing titles awarded to English players:
Peter Markland (FM)
Richard McMichael (FM)
Ravi Haria (GM: subject to ratification)
Marcus Harvey (IM: subject to ratification)
In 2017 we had
Daniel Fernandez (GM)
In 2014 we had
Jonathan Hawkins (GM)
in 2009 we had
Stephen Gordon (GM)
So, four GMs in twelve years.
Peter Markland (FM)
Richard McMichael (FM)
Ravi Haria (GM: subject to ratification)
Marcus Harvey (IM: subject to ratification)
In 2017 we had
Daniel Fernandez (GM)
In 2014 we had
Jonathan Hawkins (GM)
in 2009 we had
Stephen Gordon (GM)
So, four GMs in twelve years.
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Not necessarily, everyone could have realised that the GM title is an expensive piece of paper, the main purpose of which is to assist other people in buying the same piece of paper.MJMcCready wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 8:03 amSo England is not likely to be the force it has been for a few decades now in the not too distant future?
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Between 1976 and 1985 there were nine English GMs making it one per annum on average.
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David Howell and Gawain Jones were 2007.John Upham wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 10:01 am
in 2009 we had
Stephen Gordon (GM)
So, four GMs in twelve years.
I think there were a number in the years between 2000 and 2008. Nick Pert and Jonathan Parker were 2001, Matthew Turner (now SCO) 2002
Danny Gormally was 2005 and Simon Williams 2008.
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Who's better, an IM rated 2505 or a GM rated 2504?
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I would have thought all the British GMs were to a greater or lesser extent self taught. If it was that easy to become a GM by taking a training course there would be a lot more of them.Matt Bridgeman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:33 amOut of interest are there many GMs who avoided the years of expensive chess coaching and took the DIY approach?
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In terms of playing strength as demonstrated by results they are identical. You need a gap of 40 Elo points or more to say with some degree of certainty who was the better player. In terms of invitations to Norm tournaments a GM is more valuable than an IM.
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But does the presence of GMs increase the entry level of tournaments, generally speaking. As is so often claimed?