Something to be concerned about?

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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Paul Cooksey » Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:40 am

I created a poll on this topic: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11892

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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Kevin O'Rourke » Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:56 pm

I would just avoid hand shakes and don't touch your face after you've been touching the pieces.

but in all honesty, if your sitting face to face with someone for a few hours (as well as being near the other people in the room) you probably can't avoid breathing in some particles if a person has covid.

Just have to ask that people take a test a few days before the game and ensure that people have had at least one dose.

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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:06 pm

Kevin O'Rourke wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:56 pm
I would just avoid hand shakes
I agree that handshakes should not be compulsory, and it should not be considered rude not to do so. I've never really thought it was anyway.
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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by David Williams » Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:07 pm

Case rates in the UK are among the highest in the world and will continue to rise. They are heavily concentrated in the unvaccinated. If you were looking for the most dangerous person in the world to sit opposite you for several hours, knowing nothing about them other than their age and country of residence, you would select a teenager living in the UK.

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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:14 pm

David Williams wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:07 pm
Case rates in the UK are among the highest in the world and will continue to rise. They are heavily concentrated in the unvaccinated. If you were looking for the most dangerous person in the world to sit opposite you for several hours, knowing nothing about them other than their age and country of residence, you would select a teenager living in the UK.
Here in Bolton, the over 18s queued up in droves when the jabs were made available on a walk-in basis, and I suspect a few under 18s were jabbed too; my own 16 year old daughter would have a jab today if she could, and is fastidious about mask wearing, as she was about undertaking twice weekly lateral flow testing before she finished school

The chess players I'd be concerned about sitting opposite wouldn't include any teenagers :roll:
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Re: Something to be concerned about?

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As someone who is running a club and has kept one running (when rules have allowed) during the pandemic, this is something of a poser. I have members who want to isolate until COVID is no more, people in ill health that want to isolate and people in ill health that also need to socialise. At the end of the day it is personal choice. Vaccines will not stop transmission and only cap impacts. My position is that we are open and welcoming, utilising space, providing hand sanitiser and welcome those who want to take other measures but not to enforce on others. Sadly COVID is endemic and it is all about personal choice at the end of the day.
They will seriously reduce transmissions and do just a bit more than "cap" impact.

This is tbph an example of the talking down vaccinations that I referred to upthread, and it really isn't helpful.
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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by John Upham » Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:10 pm

Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:14 pm
The chess players I'd be concerned about sitting opposite wouldn't include any teenagers :roll:
Perhaps you mean someone like :


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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Fri Jul 09, 2021 9:17 pm

Matt Mackenzie wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:08 pm
Stephen Westmoreland wrote:
Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:42 pm
As someone who is running a club and has kept one running (when rules have allowed) during the pandemic, this is something of a poser. I have members who want to isolate until COVID is no more, people in ill health that want to isolate and people in ill health that also need to socialise. At the end of the day it is personal choice. Vaccines will not stop transmission and only cap impacts. My position is that we are open and welcoming, utilising space, providing hand sanitiser and welcome those who want to take other measures but not to enforce on others. Sadly COVID is endemic and it is all about personal choice at the end of the day.
They will seriously reduce transmissions and do just a bit more than "cap" impact.

This is tbph an example of the talking down vaccinations that I referred to upthread, and it really isn't helpful.
Hi Matt,

Thank you for the reply. I am certainly not talking down the vaccine, having had both doses of the Oxford myself and encouraging others to do so; particularly over the blood clot scare. I am a big fan of the vaccine and take a huge interest in their development and use over time. Speaking to Doctors as well, who have pointed out the drop in age groups getting hospitalised as doses were given.

In terms of 'cap' that is an appropriate word. We can still get COVID but it is far less severe or not severe at all. Transmission is more up in the air as recent headline suggest the 'Delta' is more catchable to the vaccinated. However, a lot of the news is talking out of its backside. There are plenty of people getting COVID that are vaccinated though but with minor impacts.

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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by David Williams » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:19 am

Mick Norris wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:14 pm
David Williams wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:07 pm
Case rates in the UK are among the highest in the world and will continue to rise. They are heavily concentrated in the unvaccinated. If you were looking for the most dangerous person in the world to sit opposite you for several hours, knowing nothing about them other than their age and country of residence, you would select a teenager living in the UK.
Here in Bolton, the over 18s queued up in droves when the jabs were made available on a walk-in basis, and I suspect a few under 18s were jabbed too; my own 16 year old daughter would have a jab today if she could, and is fastidious about mask wearing, as she was about undertaking twice weekly lateral flow testing before she finished school

The chess players I'd be concerned about sitting opposite wouldn't include any teenagers :roll:
I'm not in any way denigrating teenagers, who have put their lives on hold to protect older people from a disease that is probably no real problem to them. It's frankly a kick in the teeth to open things up to the vaccinated when they haven't even been offered it. But the sad fact is that being unvaccinated means that they are far more likely than older age groups to be infected. Even the most fastidious are going to be exposed because they will be mixing with other teenagers in schools and elsewhere. I'm not saying whether I would or wouldn't sit opposite a random teenager for three hours, but I'm pretty sure if I did it would be the most dangerous thing I've done in the last sixteen months.

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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:42 am

At the end of the day, it is down to Organisers and those that run clubs. My personal standpoint is that the Club I run is open. It runs within requirements and if people want to wear masks or not, so be it. If they want to come unvaccinated, fine. If they are teenagers, then that is ok (actually fantastic to have teens or below in). Having run the club between lockdowns, local restrictions and basically every time we can, there are 0 infections from club nights to date and I have opened in line with ECF risk assessments and so forth (except the bit about gloves - gloves are terrible!!).

The vaccines massively cap the impacts of this virus and the most vulnerable have had the jab, bar decisions not to or other medical issues. We provide space, and sanitiser, track and trace and so forth.

My stand point is that we are open. People will get spaced around the room, mitigations are in place and we will of course act in line with the law. It is personal choice and personal management of risk.
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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Simon Rogers » Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:23 am

Stephen Westmoreland wrote:
Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:42 am
At the end of the day, it is down to Organisers and those that run clubs. My personal standpoint is that the Club I run is open. It runs within requirements and if people want to wear masks or not, so be it. If they want to come unvaccinated, fine. If they are teenagers, then that is ok (actually fantastic to have teens or below in). Having run the club between lockdowns, local restrictions and basically every time we can, there are 0 infections from club nights to date and I have opened in line with ECF risk assessments and so forth (except the bit about gloves - gloves are terrible!!).

The vaccines massively cap the impacts of this virus and the most vulnerable have had the jab, bar decisions not to or other medical issues. We provide space, and sanitiser, track and trace and so forth.

My stand point is that we are open. People will get spaced around the room, mitigations are in place and we will of course act in line with the law. It is personal choice and personal management of risk.
Some good points Stephen.
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Say hello to Mitchell Burke for me at your club. Not seen him for a few years.

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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:39 am

Will do the next time I go nagging for a team!
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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Mick Norris » Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:48 am

Mitchell is a good lad

I wish Stephen luck in the silver membership election (being endorsed by Tim might produce an interesting result), glad he has stood for election and indeed joined the forum
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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Simon Rogers » Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:03 pm

I have a lot of time for Mitchell.
I beat him when he was a young junior. He beat me a number of years later at the South Lakes Congress but then he lost to Marjorie Ellison at a game of Table Tennis I always make an effort to say hello to him at tournaments.

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Re: Something to be concerned about?

Post by Stephen Westmoreland » Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:03 pm

Thanks Mick and much appreciated.
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