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English Events Providing Norms since 2010

Post by John Upham » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:53 am

(I ought to know these details but shamefully I don't.)

Which OTB English events (apart from 4NCL) from 2010 onwards have resulted in norms being awarded to English players?

I am thinking of WIM, WGM, IM and GM norms.

Thank-you for your help.
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Re: English Events Providing Norms since 2010

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:59 am

You can see English norm recipients here https://ratings.fide.com/titles_page.phtml

So this will give you a starting point if you want to trawl through

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Re: English Events Providing Norms since 2010

Post by Matthew Turner » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:14 am

You can also look up rated tournaments here

https://ratings.fide.com/rated_tourname ... 2010-07-01

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Re: English Events Providing Norms since 2010

Post by John Upham » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:20 am

Matthew Turner wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:59 am
You can see English norm recipients here https://ratings.fide.com/titles_page.phtml

So this will give you a starting point if you want to trawl through
Many thanks Matthew. My homework for the next few hours!
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Re: English Events Providing Norms since 2010

Post by LawrenceCooper » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:19 am

John Upham wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:53 am
(I ought to know these details but shamefully I don't.)

Which OTB English events (apart from 4NCL) from 2010 onwards have resulted in norms being awarded to English players?

I am thinking of WIM, WGM, IM and GM norms.

Thank-you for your help.
Hi John,

These are the ones that I organised:

2nd Big Slick International 2011:

https://ratings.fide.com/report.phtml?event=59800

https://ratings.fide.com/report.phtml?event=59801


3rd Big Slick International 2013:

https://ratings.fide.com/tournament_rep ... nt16=68385

https://ratings.fide.com/tournament_rep ... nt16=68386

Women's all-play-all tournaments 2009-2013:

London Chess Classic Women's International 2009: http://www.londonchessclassic.com/2009/ ... tional.htm

e2e4.org.uk Uxbridge Womens's International 2010: https://ratings.fide.com/report.phtml?event=52532

London Chess Classic Women's International 2010: http://www.londonchessclassic.com/2010/ ... tional.htm
https://ratings.fide.com/report.phtml?event=55172

London Chess Classic Women's International 2011: https://ratings.fide.com/tournament_rep ... nt16=63579

London Chess Classic Women's International 2012: http://www.classic.livechess.co.uk/2012 ... index.html

London Chess Classic Women's International 2013: http://www.londonchessclassic.com/2013/ ... l_2013.htm
https://ratings.fide.com/report.phtml?event=85828

Big Slick 2013 had norms for Yang-Fan and Alan Merry. I can't immediately think of other English norms (I know there were non English).

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Post by IM Jack Rudd » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:04 pm

Most of the British Championships over that period have had title norms, though I can't remember all of them off the top of my head.

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Post by John Upham » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:06 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:04 pm
Most of the British Championships over that period have had title norms, though I can't remember all of them off the top of my head.
Jack,

Did you mean that norms were available or that norms were obtained or both?
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Post by IM Jack Rudd » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:07 pm

Both. (The most recent was Charlie Storey's second IM norm in 2019.)

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Re: English Events Providing Norms since 2010

Post by John Upham » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:27 pm

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:07 pm
Both. (The most recent was Charlie Storey's second IM norm in 2019.)
Thanks. My intention is to document when and from what events norms were obtained.

I then intend to do the same for the 1970 - 1980 period and then compare that period with 2010 to the present.

Hopefully we can learn something from this analysis.
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Re: English Events Providing Norms since 2010

Post by Roger de Coverly » Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:25 pm

John Upham wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:27 pm
I then intend to do the same for the 1970 - 1980 period and then compare that period with 2010 to the present.

Hopefully we can learn something from this analysis.
Particularly in the early 1970s, there were few Norm opportunities, despite arguably there being more strong players in sixth form, university and post graduate age ranges who would be among the prime norm seekers.

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Re: English Events Providing Norms since 2010

Post by Alex McFarlane » Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:57 pm

John Upham wrote:
Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:27 pm
I then intend to do the same for the 1970 - 1980 period and then compare that period with 2010 to the present.
I'm not sure how much of a comparison is possible. I believe only 2 norms were needed then compared to the three now. So even if norms were as frequent then, fewer would be required/obtained.

Also there were a lot more unrated players (though you were allowed two of those in a norm, compared to one now) who would prevent norms being possible.
Note: I am simplifying the norm requirements in the above statement rather than bore people with rating floors etc.

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