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That was much the same at the recent 4NCL Congress. The example I can think of where the FIDE rating is likely to exceed the ECF one is where someone has been mostly or completely inactive in internationally rated chess but sufficiently active in domestic chess to have a rating reflecting current strength. Entrants to the 4NCL Congress mostly seemed drawn from those who had been weekend regulars up to February or March 2020.Tim Spanton wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:49 pmGoing through the numbers again, there seem to be just two instances where a player's Fide is higher than his ECF
I am finding this pricing configuration quite common, especially on the continent.Nick Burrows wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:08 pmA quirk of the Northumbria Masters entry fees are that players with a very niche rating configuration are being unfairly penalised.
If rated under 2000 ecf - £50 entry to the challengers
If rated over 2000 ecf - £80 entry to the open
If rated over 2000 ecf & Under 2000 Fide - £100 entry to the open.
I happen to fall into this category and so have to pay more than every other player in the tournament to play.
I was about to enter, but now will not on principle as the organiser will not amend this.
They use ECF ratings on the continent?Wadih Khoury wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:15 pmI am finding this pricing configuration quite common, especially on the continent.
I think it's perfectly fine to charge players more who are choosing to play in the higher section, but in this instance they are charging more to players who have no option but to play in the section. Thereby penalising a tiny subset of players for no good reason.Wadih Khoury wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:15 pmI am finding this pricing configuration quite common, especially on the continent.
I guess it is to dissuade lower rated players to play in the highest category without having an outright minimum grade requirement, which presumably allows to attract more higher rated players.
It's actually about 20% of the current list of entrants,so not so tiny.Nick Burrows wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:17 pmI think it's perfectly fine to charge players more who are choosing to play in the higher section, but in this instance they are charging more to players who have no option but to play in the section. Thereby penalising a tiny subset of players for no good reason.
Ok thanks, I missed the subset of > 2000 ECF and <2000 FIDE.Nick Burrows wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:17 pmI think it's perfectly fine to charge players more who are choosing to play in the higher section, but in this instance they are charging more to players who have no option but to play in the section. Thereby penalising a tiny subset of players for no good reason.Wadih Khoury wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 4:15 pmI am finding this pricing configuration quite common, especially on the continent.
I guess it is to dissuade lower rated players to play in the highest category without having an outright minimum grade requirement, which presumably allows to attract more higher rated players.
I didn't realise it was so many - So unfairly penalising 1/5 of entrantsIan Thompson wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:33 pmIt's actually about 20% of the current list of entrants,so not so tiny.
That's fair enough, but why then force this rabble into a section where they are not wanted. An U2000 Fide / U2100 Ecf limit for the Challengers is perfectly reasonable. The Challengers limit in Douglas is 2100 Fide.Ian Thompson wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 5:33 pmIf you're running a tournament where you hope to give players a decent chance of getting norms then discouraging players with low FIDE ratings is a good thing to do, particularly if they have much higher ECF ratings than FIDE ratings. That may indicate their true strength is more than their current FIDE rating and make it more difficult than it should be for an opponent to get a norm.
Thanks to an impressive total of 160 entries for the Masters (Open), Challengers (Under 2000), Major (Under 1750) and Minor (Under 1500) tournaments, we have now reached the maximum capacity for players in the public events at the Marriott MetroCentre.