Times cryptic chess clue

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Joey Stewart » Fri Oct 07, 2022 2:26 pm

Do you feel that there is an element of needing to be of the same mindset as the clue setters, thus clueing you in to their way of thinking, and is that particular clue one of good quality (i.e. you could only gain a single answer from your interpretation)?
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Fri Oct 07, 2022 3:01 pm

"Do you feel that there is an element of needing to be of the same mindset as the clue setters, thus clueing you in to their way of thinking, and is that particular clue one of good quality (i.e. you could only gain a single answer from your interpretation)?"

If it is properly clued there is only one answer. Some setters are easier to follow. Many years ago, I did a newspaper crossword on the way to work, and you could tell if the setter had changed for that day of the week!

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:41 pm

The late Araucaria was always my favourite cryptic crossword compiler, and once you'd gotten onto his wavelength for a particular crossword, it was generally easy to get most of the answers.

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Simon Brown » Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:47 pm

Seeing as everyone loves them so much, here's an easy one from today's Times; "Fellow pupil's swimming group taking winning position (10)"

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Paul Habershon » Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:31 am

Simon Brown wrote:
Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:47 pm
Seeing as everyone loves them so much, here's an easy one from today's Times; "Fellow pupil's swimming group taking winning position (10)"
Simon, I like the genuine irony in your opening words. Irony - a word often mistakenly used for coincidence. As in 'Ironically the newly transferred goalkeeper's first game for club x will be against his old club y'.

Anyway: SCHOOLMATE
Definition: Fellow pupil; broken down into two further definitions: 'school'=swimming group (of fish) and 'mate'=winning position.

It is said, and I believe it, that ' The Times' cryptic is slightly easier on Mondays.

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by John Clarke » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:29 pm

Tricky one from Friday's Guardian cryptic:

"Old Greek king perhaps banking on one retiring" (6)

- but knowing that chess is somehow involved in this one might be helpful. (Just as one looks that much harder in a chess find-the-winning-move position, knowing already that something is "on".)
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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Paul Habershon » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:37 am

John Clarke wrote:
Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:29 pm
Tricky one from Friday's Guardian cryptic:

"Old Greek king perhaps banking on one retiring" (6)

- but knowing that chess is somehow involved in this one might be helpful. (Just as one looks that much harder in a chess find-the-winning-move position, knowing already that something is "on".)
Can't solve this yet and suspect I would need letters towards it. I guess the definition will be an old Greek, and 'king perhaps' may be MAN, as on the chess board; (NAM if governed by 'retiring').

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Simon Brown » Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:35 am

Paul, I think all your guesses are right. Helps that I have visited the specific part of Greece!

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Paul Habershon » Sat Dec 17, 2022 12:19 pm

Simon Brown wrote:
Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:35 am
Paul, I think all your guesses are right. Helps that I have visited the specific part of Greece!
Thanks to the above from Simon I have settled on MINOAN, hopefully not spoiling the fun of too many followers of this thread.

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by John Clarke » Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:48 pm

Dead right, Paul. I was unable to get it (despite having visited Knossos myself). Lacking time to persevere, I eventually resorted to the Reveal button. (And why does it so often happen that: when you need a crosser or two to solve a clue, you can't solve those bloody clues either?! :evil:)
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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Paul Habershon » Sun Jan 01, 2023 12:11 pm

Yesterday's Times 28,488.
21ac: Support position of white knight in resolution (8)
It surprises me that the setter expects non-chessplayers to know that a white knight starts on b1 (solution ends in BONE)

25ac: Man in stronghold (6)
'Man', unfortunately here in my opinion, refers to a chess piece.
Admittedly Collins defines CASTLE as a chess piece which can move forwards, backwards or sideways. Chambers has 'A rook in chess'.
I tell beginners that if they call a rook a castle we will know they are not a chessplayer.

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by John Brewitt » Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:31 pm

From today's The Times number 28492: 'Turned up to vet, a step towards getting a mate?' (10,5)

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Paul Habershon » Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:30 pm

John Brewitt wrote:
Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:31 pm
From today's The Times number 28492: 'Turned up to vet, a step towards getting a mate?' (10,5)
The solution is yet another specialist chess term which non-players may or may not know.

I think some setters must be chess players, but I have yet to see equivalent bridge terms such as 'dummy reversal', 'scissors coup', 'strip squeeze' or 'Stayman'. However, the initial letters of East, West, North and South are often used cryptically for partners or opponents, and I imagine a term such as 'slam' is more part of general knowledge, particularly as it's used in other sports.

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Geoff Chandler » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:17 pm

Today’s Metro 13 down.

“Nobody won: ship’s officer was past his best (9)”

Fairly easy but good to see the answer being used in it’s correct context (Nobody won.) Often you see it being used to describe an ongoing game or debate with no conclusion in sight.)

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Re: Times cryptic chess clue

Post by Phil Neatherway » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:10 am

Appear unexpectedly to be pawn ahead (3,2)

Taken from the Times Cryptic Crossword Book 1, puzzle 10.