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swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Kevin O'Rourke » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:08 pm

Not managed one of these but finally won a game with the pieces. :D



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Post by NickFaulks » Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:24 pm

Very nice.
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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Joey Stewart » Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:27 pm

As long as the position isn't too open I find three pieces tend to get the better of the Queen in the instances I have had them. - in fact there are even cases of just two pieces for a queen being enough to her the job done
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.

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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Kevin O'Rourke » Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:43 pm

Rook and a minor piece is almost equal too.

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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:29 pm

Kevin O'Rourke wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 2:43 pm
Rook and a minor piece is almost equal too.
Don't want to be a wet blanket about it, but the classic rejoinder "it depends on the position" very much applies there.

(indeed, its not that uncommon for a Q to prove stronger than a R and two minor pieces in "unbalanced" situations)
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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Kevin O'Rourke » Wed Jun 09, 2021 3:32 pm

on an open board with lots of checks the Queen has a party.

Closed the Queen doesn't have a good time.

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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:47 pm

Lovely game to play as Black. Nice wrap up.

I played the 5.Qe2 line v the Pirc (pretty sure it was on rec from Ray Keene and George Botterill)
given up the Queen for 3 minor bits quite a few times with some smashing games as White.


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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Kevin O'Rourke » Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:12 pm

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:47 pm
Lovely game to play as Black. Nice wrap up.

I played the 5.Qe2 line v the Pirc (pretty sure it was on rec from Ray Keene and George Botterill)
given up the Queen for 3 minor bits quite a few times with some smashing games as White.

Thanks Geoff :D

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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Matt Mackenzie » Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:03 pm

Engines say that Pirc line is roughly equal, but White seems to have a big plus in practice - their position is so much easier for humans to play.
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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Geoff Chandler » Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:16 pm

Hi Matt,

I am so glad there no engines when I was starting out else I would never have gone near the Latvian Gambit.
I had been playing it for about 3 years with great success then one day I got a book on it. Mistake!
The lines I had been playing were dodgy (bust) but nobody had found the refutations OTB.

I switched to playing the Pirc had few disasters at first then one day I realised I was in the wrong mind set.
It's not the Pirc Defence - It's the Pirc Attack - never looked back after that.

Back on track - probably my best win with 5.Qe2.

Me - A. White, Club Championship, Edinburgh 1980


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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Kevin O'Rourke » Thu Jun 10, 2021 11:41 am

I cannot remember the reason for 16..h5 puzzling

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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by IM Jack Rudd » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:22 pm

Looks like you were trying to find a way to trap the queen, but it's just got too many flight squares for that to work.

(You could have immediately won material with 16...Nd3+.)

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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Christopher Kreuzer » Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:23 am

Geoff Chandler wrote:
Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:16 pm
Back on track - probably my best win with 5.Qe2.

Me - A. White, Club Championship, Edinburgh 1980

Lovely game. Can't make out all the continuations after 13.Nf4 and 14.Bd5, I assume those additional sacrifices (not accepted by your opponent) are sound? (The final combination, starting with 19.Rxd7 is nice.)

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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Kevin O'Rourke » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:38 am

IM Jack Rudd wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:22 pm
Looks like you were trying to find a way to trap the queen, but it's just got too many flight squares for that to work.

(You could have immediately won material with 16...Nd3+.)
just saw that thanks. yes should have done that.

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Re: swapping a queen for 3 minor pieces.

Post by Geoff Chandler » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:57 pm

Hi Chris,



13...dxc4 then it looks like I was going to go 14.Ne4 with Nd6+ or Bg5 and Nf6+ coming.

The game made BCM and I recall I added some analysis around about here.
Of course not computer checked and possibly one of my infamous fantasy trips where
I use to say (in fact still do) it may not be sound but it's OTB human v human plausible.

13.Nf4 was not a bluff it just looks like after dxc4 a terrific position for me. Alastair seemed to agree as he never took it.

Hi Kevin,



I thought your 16...h5 idea was a pawn sac. 17. Bxh5 Be7 which leads to even more awkward positions for White.
Jack's spot 16...Nd3+ is a very good find.
(of course I saw that as well but I did not want say so as I wanted to allow someone else a chance to see it :wink: )

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