Proposal to reduce draw offers

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Mike Gunn
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Re: Proposal to reduce draw offers

Post by Mike Gunn » Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:10 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:33 pm
Mike Gunn wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:22 pm
one offer is enough - your opponent knows how you are minded and the pressure is on him to do something and sometimes that turns out to be to your advantage.
A general convention would be that if your draw offer is refused, you wait for a counter offer from your opponent. Otherwise you only repeat the offer if the position has materially changed since the last time.
Yes, that is what I do (it's only good manners in my opinion).

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Re: Proposal to reduce draw offers

Post by Alistair Campbell » Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:38 pm

MJMcCready wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:38 pm
If you look at the 70s most Div 1 winners lost or drew about one third of their games
Between 1969/70 and 1980/81 (12 seasons) the Football League Champions averaged 25.3 wins a season, which is about 60%
MJMcCready wrote:
Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:38 pm
but when it changed they were picking up about 8 wins a season more on average.
Between 1981/82 and 1987/88 the Football League Champions averaged 25.4 wins a season which is about 61%.

(Perhaps best to check my figures, but I don't see a significant difference)

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Re: Proposal to reduce draw offers

Post by MJMcCready » Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:58 pm

Well if there's also no huge difference in goals being scored then perhaps the whole thing has been exaggerated. When Italy followed suit they certainly went on and on about it changing the nature of Italian football. Perhaps they should change it to 4 points for a win then.

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Re: Proposal to reduce draw offers

Post by Nick Grey » Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:42 pm

We are talking about chess. I find the older the player the more likely they will offer a draw.

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Re: Proposal to reduce draw offers

Post by Stewart Reuben » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:40 am

3/1/0 has not been tried often enough to form any conclusions. When it was first allowed in the Laws, I as secretary of the Rules Commission and Geurt Gijssen as chairman were against it because of the possibility of collusion between two players, especially in the last round of Swisses.

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Re: Proposal to reduce draw offers

Post by MJMcCready » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:15 pm

It hasn't yes but the manor in which it was embraced said enough at the time I thought. All that aside this is something only the elite are troubled by as at club level theoretical draws don't usually come into play as mistakes tend to be more commonly played than correct moves.

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Re: Proposal to reduce draw offers

Post by Stewart Reuben » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:02 pm

If the sole objective is to reduce the number of draw offers, then the following should be considered.
The player makes his move, then offers a draw and presses the clock. Now that draw offer stands until turned down by the opponent. Thus the opponent can do anything he likes, but can accept the draw later unless he has been mated.
I am not for one moment suggesting that would be a good law, but it would certainly reduce the number of draw offers.

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