Fat Fritz 2

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:17 pm

"You do have to wonder what sort of people are playing actual money for this "fat Fritz" if it is based on stolen code from two FREE engines, especially given that programmers that operate in this way rarely improve on their source material."

People who did not think it was "based on stolen code...."?

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Paul Robert Jackson » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:00 pm

Paul Robert Jackson wrote:
Sat Feb 20, 2021 1:04 pm
Didn't Rybka get into some sort of similar controversy
"Allegations have surfaced that Rybka 1.0 beta and other versions of Rybka are derivatives of Fruit 2.1 and Crafty."
www.chessprogramming.org/Rybka_Controversy
as previously mentioned
....this has happend before.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by MartinCarpenter » Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:54 am

Joey Stewart wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:49 pm
The nice thing in this case is that it is a victimless crime, as all parties involved are responsible for causing irreparable damage to the game I am happy to see all of them lose out.

You do have to wonder what sort of people are playing actual money for this "fat Fritz" if it is based on stolen code from two FREE engines, especially given that programmers that operate in this way rarely improve on their source material.
Well, things like a decent UI, support and a totally hassle free installation process would be counted as worthwhile by some people. Like Redhat & friends do with Linux.

I have no idea how well this program does any of that of course! The lack of honesty isn't a great look.

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Joey Stewart » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:10 pm

Not sure who I want to see lose the most in that lawsuit - is there a scenario where both companies can come out at a loss??
Lose one queen and it is a disaster, Lose 1000 queens and it is just a statistic.

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by NickFaulks » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:13 pm

Joey Stewart wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:10 pm
is there a scenario where both companies can come out at a loss??
Generally the case when lawyers are involved.
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by MartinCarpenter » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:25 am

Joey Stewart wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:10 pm
Not sure who I want to see lose the most in that lawsuit - is there a scenario where both companies can come out at a loss??
Stockfish aren't even a company, just an open source software project.

Given how Chessbase behaved they're well within their moral rights to choose to stop sharing their free software with them.

I can see enforcing it being slightly tricky given they've open sourced the software to anyone, and other people can then choose to share it with Chessbase etc. They must have written a 'Chessbase totally banned' clause in somewhere.

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Kevin Thurlow » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:52 am

Chessbase do have form when it comes to other people's material. I have been told by reliable sources that people have published annotated games, and then when the next "Bigbase" or whatever comes out, the games plus word-for-word annotations come out, with the annotator listed as "Chessbase". One writer started using really weird phrases as a test, e.g. "A real Clint Eastwood move", not just something like "Rg6 is the principled move".

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:13 am

Do we have a source for this
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by Ian Thompson » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:41 am

JustinHorton wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:13 am
Do we have a source for this
Assuming the author of the annotations didn't give ChessBase permission to publish them, the evidence can be found in Thompson-Thurlow, British Championship, 1997, which is annotated by "ChessBase". It includes the annotation "(Quiet, does n't seem to do a lot - but very strong - a real Clint Eastwood of a move - ed)".

It's not even subtle plagiarism. Another annotation says "(This was the moment I arrived at the board, and began wondering how Kevin's Queen got to h4 - ed)". I wasn't aware that ChessBase were present at the 1997 British Championship.

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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by JustinHorton » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:58 am

How interesting. Where's the original?
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Re: Fat Fritz 2

Post by John Upham » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:50 pm

Here we go:



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