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The Surrey Border League

Post by John Upham » Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:32 pm

Fixtures for the 2023 - 2024 season are available from the Surrey Border League League Management System at

http://www.borderleague.org.uk/

As usual if you wish to import all of the fixtures in one go for

A team
A Club
A Division
A League

then you may do so. :D

We welcome Basingstoke Chess Club back to our league after an absence initiated by alleged inadequate toilet resources at one of their away venues.

The ECF LMS home for the Surrey Border League has likewise been configured for the new season and may be found at

https://ecflms.org.uk/lms/node/82612/home

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Re: The Surrey Border League

Post by Paul Cooksey » Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:55 pm

I assume Crowthorne's improved facilities - both modern and within shouting distance of the playing venue - will be a major incentive for Basingstoke to get promoted to a division we are in.

Out of interest, why are SBL maintaining two LMS sites?

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Re: The Surrey Border League

Post by John Upham » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:01 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:55 pm

Out of interest, why are SBL maintaining two LMS sites?
They have differing functionalities.
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Re: The Surrey Border League

Post by Paul Cooksey » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:04 pm

John Upham wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:01 pm
They have differing functionalities.
Aha! In what ways?

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Re: The Surrey Border League

Post by John Upham » Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:17 pm

Paul Cooksey wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:04 pm
John Upham wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:01 pm
They have differing functionalities.
Aha! In what ways?
I will leave that as an exercise for the reader.
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The Bell Trophy

Post by John Upham » Wed May 15, 2024 4:12 pm

The Surrey Border League has, since 1995, awarded The Bell Trophy to the winning club in a rating (per board) limited knockout competition.

AFAIK, I've not established the basis for its naming. Possibly a Mr. or Mrs. Bell was the benefactor?

The trophy is an engraved wooden chess board.

Can you help?

I have all of the winners since 1995.
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Re: The Surrey Border League

Post by John Townsend » Sat May 18, 2024 10:58 am

The website of Camberley Chess Club says "the competition started in 1975". Perhaps the donor of the Bell Trophy was mentioned in the minutes of the A.G.M. of a local chess association around that time.

"Camberley Chess Club broke another record in 2018 by winning the Bell Trophy for the ninth time since the competition started in 1975 and the team captain, John Upham, has won all 18 matches out of 18 contested !"

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Re: The Surrey Border League

Post by NickFaulks » Sat May 18, 2024 11:24 am

John Townsend wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 10:58 am
and the team captain, John Upham, has won all 18 matches out of 18 contested !"
When interviewed he said "I couldn't have done it without the team".
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Re: The Bell Trophy

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat May 18, 2024 11:41 am

John Upham wrote:
Wed May 15, 2024 4:12 pm
The Surrey Border League has, since 1995, awarded The Bell Trophy to the winning club in a rating (per board) limited knockout competition.
That's not correct. The earliest records I have are from 1997 and at that time the rules said

"The Haslemere Trophy shall be held for the following season by the winner of a team competition played on the knock-out principle; clubs may enter any number of teams. The Bell Trophy shall be held for the following season by the winner of a team competition, played on the knock-out principle, open to teams losing a first match in the Haslemere Trophy."

There were no restrictions on who could play for a club's Haslemere Trophy or Bell Trophy teams other than that a player could only play for one team in the competitions.

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Re: The Bell Trophy

Post by John Upham » Sat May 18, 2024 5:08 pm

Ian Thompson wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 11:41 am
John Upham wrote:
Wed May 15, 2024 4:12 pm
The Surrey Border League has, since 1995, awarded The Bell Trophy to the winning club in a rating (per board) limited knockout competition.
That's not correct. The earliest records I have are from 1997 and at that time the rules said

"The Haslemere Trophy shall be held for the following season by the winner of a team competition played on the knock-out principle; clubs may enter any number of teams. The Bell Trophy shall be held for the following season by the winner of a team competition, played on the knock-out principle, open to teams losing a first match in the Haslemere Trophy."

There were no restrictions on who could play for a club's Haslemere Trophy or Bell Trophy teams other than that a player could only play for one team in the competitions.
Over the years the premise for both the Bell and Haslemere Trophies has changed.

As a Captain I have won the Bell trophy around four times and the rating limit for each board was different. I'm not aware of the Bell Trophy rules for 1995 or thereabouts but am attempting to find out.
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Re: The Bell Trophy

Post by Ian Thompson » Sat May 18, 2024 7:34 pm

John Upham wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 5:08 pm
Ian Thompson wrote:
Sat May 18, 2024 11:41 am
John Upham wrote:
Wed May 15, 2024 4:12 pm
The Surrey Border League has, since 1995, awarded The Bell Trophy to the winning club in a rating (per board) limited knockout competition.
That's not correct. The earliest records I have are from 1997 and at that time the rules said

"The Haslemere Trophy shall be held for the following season by the winner of a team competition played on the knock-out principle; clubs may enter any number of teams. The Bell Trophy shall be held for the following season by the winner of a team competition, played on the knock-out principle, open to teams losing a first match in the Haslemere Trophy."

There were no restrictions on who could play for a club's Haslemere Trophy or Bell Trophy teams other than that a player could only play for one team in the competitions.
Over the years the premise for both the Bell and Haslemere Trophies has changed.

As a Captain I have won the Bell trophy around four times and the rating limit for each board was different. I'm not aware of the Bell Trophy rules for 1995 or thereabouts but am attempting to find out.
I didn't mean that the Bell Trophy isn't now run as you describe. I meant it hasn't been run under those rules since 1995.

Having checked other versions of the rules, the last year the Bell Trophy was a plate completion for the Haslemere Trophy was the 1998/99 season:

a) The Haslemere Trophy is awarded to the team winning the knockout competition. Clubs may enter any number of teams, which will be placed in a seeded draw. All teams will be paired in round 1 (if there is an odd number of teams, the previous years winners will receive the bye).

b) The Bell Trophy is awarded to the team winning the knockout competition organised for teams eliminated in the first round of the Haslemere Trophy competition.


For the 1999/2000 season it became a graded knockout competition independent of the Haslemere Trophy:

a) The Haslemere Trophy is awarded to the team winning the knockout competition. Clubs may enter any number of teams, which will be placed in a seeded draw. All teams will be paired in round 1 (if there is an odd number of teams, the previous years winners will receive the bye).

b) The Bell Trophy is awarded to the team winning the graded knockout tournament., which will be subject to grade limits as follows:

Board 1 not exceeding 180
Board 2 not exceeding 160
Board 3 not exceeding 140
Board 4 not exceeding 130
Board 5 not exceeding 120

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