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Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:27 am
by Neil Graham
A new section to discuss the 4NCL's top division. Might be useful to actually see the results from the opening rounds!
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:04 am
by Neil Graham
Neil Graham wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:27 am
A new section to discuss the 4NCL's top division. Might be useful to actually see the results from the opening rounds!
Err.........they play next weekend so I'm a week ahead!!
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:18 am
by Mick Norris
Fixtures for round 1
11 Anglian Avengers - - - Wood Green
12 Chess.com Manx Liberty - - - Warwickshire Select 1
13 Kings Head - - - Guildford Young Guns
14 Chessable White Rose 1 - - - Barnet Knights A
15 Manchester Manticores 1 - - - Cheddleton
16 The Sharks 1 - - - North East England
17 The ADs - - - Wood Green Youth
18 Celtic Tigers 1 - - - Guildford Castles
19 The Sharks 2 - - - Barbican 4NCL
20 Blackthorne Russia - - - Chessable White Rose 2
21 Oxford 1 - - - Gonzaga
22 Cambridge University 1 - - - Alba
23 Check Inn - - - West is Best 1
24 Sussex Martlets 1 - - - KJCA Kings
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:41 am
by Roger de Coverly
From that seeding we can conclude that the expected division 1 for 2022-23 would be
Wood Green, Chess.com Manx Liberty, Guildford Young Guns, Chessable White Rose 1, Cheddleton, The Sharks 1 ,Wood Green Youth, Celtic Tigers 1, Barbican 4NCL, Blackthorne Russia, Gonzaga, Cambridge University 1
The nine teams seeded or division 2 would be
West is Best 1, Sussex Martlets 1 ,Anglian Avengers ,Warwickshire Select 1,Kings Head , Barnet Knights A, Manchester Manticores , North East England , The ADs
The remaining seven looking to avoid a division 3 would be
Guildford Castles, The Sharks 2, Chessable White Rose 2, Oxford 1 -,Alba,Check Inn ,KJCA Kings
White Rose and Alba would presumably elect for 3N with Oxford choosing 3C
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:12 pm
by LawrenceCooper
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:41 am
From that seeding we can conclude that the expected division 1 for 2022-23 would be
Wood Green, Chess.com Manx Liberty, Guildford Young Guns, Chessable White Rose 1, Cheddleton, The Sharks 1 ,Wood Green Youth, Celtic Tigers 1, Barbican 4NCL, Blackthorne Russia, Gonzaga, Cambridge University 1
The nine teams seeded or division 2 would be
West is Best 1, Sussex Martlets 1 ,Anglian Avengers ,Warwickshire Select 1,Kings Head , Barnet Knights A, Manchester Manticores , North East England , The ADs
The remaining seven looking to avoid a division 3 would be
Guildford Castles, The Sharks 2, Chessable White Rose 2, Oxford 1 -,Alba,Check Inn ,KJCA Kings
White Rose and Alba would presumably elect for 3N with Oxford choosing 3C
Rule 13.4 is worth noting:
For the 2022-23 season, in Divisions 1, 2, 3 South, 3 Central and 3 North, no more than one team from any club will be permitted to play in the same division.
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:33 pm
by Roger de Coverly
LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:12 pm
For the 2022-23 season, in Divisions 1, 2, 3 South, 3 Central and 3 North, no more than one team from any club will be permitted to play in the same division.
Aren't you allowed to split your squad? 3C is already somewhat Oxford heavy, more so if Oxford 1 join them.
I'd suspect in practice that the rule wouldn't be applied to 3C and 3N which are small enough anyway without having teams excluded.
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:45 pm
by Mick Norris
For the 2022-23 season, in Divisions 1, 2, 3 South, 3 Central and 3 North, no more than one team from any club will be permitted to play in the same division. If it is not possible to organise a Division 4 at a venue, then this rule will not apply to Division 3 at that venue.
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:43 pm
by LawrenceCooper
Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:33 pm
LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:12 pm
For the 2022-23 season, in Divisions 1, 2, 3 South, 3 Central and 3 North, no more than one team from any club will be permitted to play in the same division.
Aren't you allowed to split your squad?
You are allowed to split your squad yes but that makes no difference to this rule. They would have to have different club names eg Wood Green & Midland Monarchs.
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:56 am
by LawrenceCooper
Looking outside at all the snow it might have been wiser if I had driven to Milton Keynes yesterday!
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:35 am
by Nick Burrows
Excited to see how the teams lineup today. It's going to be a very interesting season - the most competitive in many years.
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:26 am
by Mick Norris
Except presumably the strongest teams won't need to be at full strength this weekend
Then there is the weather and travel restrictions
Will be interesting nonetheless
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:43 pm
by Mick Norris
Pairings now out
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:25 pm
by Jonathan Rogers
As usual in a first round swiss, rather few overall surprises: Gonzaga losing to Oxford was the main surprise, whilst an under strength Celtic Tigers drew with Guildford 2. Both underdogs relatively dangerous though. Blackthorne and Wood Green 2 only just won, though at a glance they were not in serious danger. Barnet Knights very impressive on the top two boards. Cheddleton the only team to win all eight games but there were a number of other heavy score lines too.
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:22 pm
by LawrenceCooper
Jonathan Rogers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:25 pm
As usual in a first round swiss, rather few overall surprises: Gonzaga losing to Oxford was the main surprise, whilst an under strength Celtic Tigers drew with Guildford 2. Both underdogs relatively dangerous though. Blackthorne and Wood Green 2 only just won, though at a glance they were not in serious danger. Barnet Knights very impressive on the top two boards. Cheddleton the only team to win all eight games but there were a number of other heavy score lines too.
If you had glanced at our board 3 and 5 positions then you may have formed a different assessment
Re: Division 1/2 2021-22
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:16 am
by Mick Norris
round 2 pairings include Speelman v Gormally; a handful of defaults
Quite pleased to see the manticores field 8 players each day, given our proposed board 1 pulled out ill on Thursday; Cheddleton much too strong for us yesterday