4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Venues, fixtures, teams and related matters.
Neil Graham
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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Neil Graham » Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:58 pm

Nick Burrows wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:08 am
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:46 am
Hopefully all captains are in time to comply with this request: "All players for the first weekend must be registered by close of play on
Thursday 11 November."
Seems unlikely somehow :lol:
You mean as unlikely as:-
We expect to publish Covid guidelines for the new season a couple of weeks before the first weekend of the new season given the present uncertainty about whether HMG guidance/rules in place at the moment will remain as they are or become more stringent

LawrenceCooper
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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:12 am

Neil Graham wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:58 pm
Nick Burrows wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:08 am
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:46 am
Hopefully all captains are in time to comply with this request: "All players for the first weekend must be registered by close of play on
Thursday 11 November."
Seems unlikely somehow :lol:
You mean as unlikely as:-
We expect to publish Covid guidelines for the new season a couple of weeks before the first weekend of the new season given the present uncertainty about whether HMG guidance/rules in place at the moment will remain as they are or become more stringent
Manx and Shropshire now have a list of registrations and Watford have made a number of additions. Not sure what is happening with the other 12 teams though :?

Roger Lancaster
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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Roger Lancaster » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:34 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:12 am
Manx and Shropshire now have a list of registrations and Watford have made a number of additions. Not sure what is happening with the other 12 teams though :?
It seemed clear to me, as Watford 4NCL match captain, that registration lists were required by midnight last night - presumably for seeding purposes, if nothing else - with financial penalties threatened for non-compliance. There can be sound practical reasons for not completing these earlier than needed, eg there appears no simple mechanism for reversing a registration if a player changes his/her mind about taking part.

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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:40 am

Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:34 am
LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:12 am
Manx and Shropshire now have a list of registrations and Watford have made a number of additions. Not sure what is happening with the other 12 teams though :?
It seemed clear to me, as Watford 4NCL match captain, that registration lists were required by midnight last night - presumably for seeding purposes, if nothing else - with financial penalties threatened for non-compliance. There can be sound practical reasons for not completing these earlier than needed, eg there appears no simple mechanism for reversing a registration if a player changes his/her mind about taking part.
This season is more important than ever due to "All players for the first weekend must be registered by close of play on Thursday 11 November." I suspect there is a final update to come though and most, if not all, lists will appear sometime today. Round 1 pairings though I'm not so sure.

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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Mick Norris » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:43 am

35 lists including Shirov for Manx
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Nick Burrows
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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Nick Burrows » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:11 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:40 am
Round 1 pairings though I'm not so sure.
I was told previously Monday at the latest, though I suppose it could now be delayed.

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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:24 am

Neil Graham wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:58 pm

You mean as unlikely as:-
We expect to publish Covid guidelines for the new season a couple of weeks before the first weekend of the new season given the present uncertainty about whether HMG guidance/rules in place at the moment will remain as they are or become more stringent
Now circulated to captains and soon to appear on the website.

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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Neil Graham » Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:45 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:24 am
Neil Graham wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:58 pm

You mean as unlikely as:-
We expect to publish Covid guidelines for the new season a couple of weeks before the first weekend of the new season given the present uncertainty about whether HMG guidance/rules in place at the moment will remain as they are or become more stringent
Now circulated to captains and soon to appear on the website.
Here they are for the benefit of Forum readers:-

Covid Arrangements

1. A risk assessment will be carried out by Guaranteed Events and signed off with the hotel.
2. Masks will be strongly recommended but not mandatory.
3. Players are encouraged to use the NHS England tracing app QR codes available at each venue.
4. Players should not attend a weekend if they are experiencing Covid-19 symptoms (as outlined on the Public Health England website: www.gov.uk/coronavirus) or if they are required to self-isolate following a visit abroad during the 14 days preceding the weekend.
5. Personal possessions in the playing areas should be kept to a minimum.
6. Hands should be sanitised before and after handling personal possessions.
7. Hand sanitiser and masks will be available for players’ use.
8. Players will be expected to leave the playing area as soon as their game is complete having reported the result and not re-enter the playing area until the start of the next round without an arbiter’s permission.
9. Players may not leave the table at which they are playing except for comfort/refreshment etc breaks and to leave the playing area at the end of their game. Specifically, players may only spectate at games in their match and only while their own game is in progress.
10. Players may not be accompanied into the playing area by anyone else before the start of play for each round, with the exception of juniors who may be accompanied by parents/guardians.
11. To avoid players gathering around printed pairing sheets, pairings will be displayed on www.4ncl.co.uk and printed pairing sheets will not be provided. Players will be expected to look up their pairings using their mobile phones or another electronic device before they enter the playing area. Match cards and name cards will be provided at the end of match rows and on tables respectively in the playing areas.
12. No spectators will be allowed in the playing areas.
13. An enhanced cleaning regime will be in place, sufficient for pre/during/post event use.
14. Where possible, playing area windows and doors into the playing areas will be kept open during play.
15. Equipment, tables and chairs will be sanitised at the end of each round.
16. The 4NCL reserves the right to amend the above arrangements during the course of the 2021-2022 season in the light of any changes to HMG rules and guidelines.

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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:10 am

4NCL (Neil Graham) wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:45 am
12. No spectators will be allowed in the playing areas.
As it's a team event, what about non-playing match captains?

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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by NickFaulks » Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:28 am

Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:10 am
As it's a team event, what about non-playing match captains?
Also,

"8.      Players will be expected to leave the playing area as soon as their game is complete having reported the result and not re-enter the playing area until the start of the next round without an arbiter’s permission."

This would be totally unworkable if it were applied to captains, so presumably the arbiters will give their permission.
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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by LawrenceCooper » Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:12 pm

NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:28 am
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:10 am
As it's a team event, what about non-playing match captains?
Also,

"8.      Players will be expected to leave the playing area as soon as their game is complete having reported the result and not re-enter the playing area until the start of the next round without an arbiter’s permission."

This would be totally unworkable if it were applied to captains, so presumably the arbiters will give their permission.
Additional e-mails have followed on the subject. With the permission of the chief arbiter at the venue is the stance currently being adopted.

Roger Lancaster
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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Roger Lancaster » Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:55 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:12 pm
NickFaulks wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:28 am
Roger de Coverly wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 11:10 am
As it's a team event, what about non-playing match captains?
Also,

"8.      Players will be expected to leave the playing area as soon as their game is complete having reported the result and not re-enter the playing area until the start of the next round without an arbiter’s permission."

This would be totally unworkable if it were applied to captains, so presumably the arbiters will give their permission.
Additional e-mails have followed on the subject. With the permission of the chief arbiter at the venue is the stance currently being adopted.
Yes, it was pointed out that ostensibly permission to enter/re-enter the playing area could only be obtained from the chief arbiter who him/herself was inside the playing area and therefore inaccessible to those required to remain outside. Solution is for match captains (including those whose games had finished, not solely non-playing match captains) wanting to enter/re-enter to go initially to the control desk and request permission there to go to their team's match.

Roger de Coverly
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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Roger de Coverly » Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:15 pm

Roger Lancaster wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 12:55 pm
Solution is for match captains (including those whose games had finished, not solely non-playing match captains) wanting to enter/re-enter to go initially to the control desk and request permission there to go to their team's match.
The configuration at Kent's Hill is of moderately sized conference rooms. Based on the spacing at the British Seniors I would estimate no more than 4 matches of 6 boards per room, or 3 of 8 boards. There's no obvious site for a master control desk. But perhaps there are more moveable walls than apparent last month, so the count of teams per room can be higher.

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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by LawrenceCooper » Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:45 am

LawrenceCooper wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:12 am
Neil Graham wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:58 pm
Nick Burrows wrote:
Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:08 am


Seems unlikely somehow :lol:
You mean as unlikely as:-
We expect to publish Covid guidelines for the new season a couple of weeks before the first weekend of the new season given the present uncertainty about whether HMG guidance/rules in place at the moment will remain as they are or become more stringent
Manx and Shropshire now have a list of registrations and Watford have made a number of additions. Not sure what is happening with the other 12 teams though :?
All but three teams now have player lists showing on the site.

Nick Burrows
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Re: 4NCL Rules 2021 - 22

Post by Nick Burrows » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:10 am

Nick Burrows wrote:
Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:11 am
I was told previously Monday at the latest, though I suppose it could now be delayed.
My mistake. I was told Wed at the latest. :oops:

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