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Chessable White Rose 1 2579 Guildford Young Guns 2485
111 w Harikrishna, Pentala (Harikrishnapentala) g 2719 - Lagarde, Maxime (rikikits) g 2655
112 b Jones, Gawain C B (verdenotte) g 2670 - Clarke, Brandon G I (Biranidun) i 2424
113 w Adair, James R (Dark_Paradise) i 2450 - Wadsworth, Matthew J (mwadsworth) i 2416
114 b Emms, John M (MovebyMove1) g 2478 - Suarez Real, Alberto (cydoniaknight) i 2448

Wood Green Youth 2290 ChessPlus Beta 2025
211 w Fitzsimons, David (DonkeyDoug) i 2334 - Ni, Viktorija (ViktorijaNi) wi 2215
212 b De Verdier, Michael(M-DeVerdier) f 2302 - Agafonov, Yuri Dr (ShEggs) 2106
213 w Toma, Katarzyna (neilla) wg 2289 - Foley, John P (JohnPFoley) 1954
214 b Stepanyan, Henrik (Henrik_95) 2237 e - Imanovs, Elhans (ElhansImanovs) 1827

Brentwood 2112 Warwick University B 2021
311 w Pert, Richard G (CheckThis1) i 2416 - Mulay, Partha (inflammableking1) 2147 e
312 b Haydon, David L (haydon) f 2294 - Jina, Taran (taranosaurus) 2132 e
313 w Coote, Trevor D (Tscapital) 2044 - Karia, Rishul (harvey_barnes) 1870 e
314 b Pert, Max (EdenHazard8) 1697 e - Bott, Simeon (lollers) 1937 e

Celtic Tigers Cubs 2044 Chessmates 1744
411 w Maciol, Ryszard (RychoM) 2215 e - Tomlinson, Zak (VodkaGambit) 1802 e
412 b Pedersen, Carsten (cpwken) 2155 e - Catt, Peter (LaBoredDonA) 1734
413 w Tivillier, Jacques (Chesspatzeruk-TWITCH) 1945 e - Fisher, Neal (nealfisher) 1720 e
414 b Kitchen, Peter J (JournoPete83) 1862 e - Webster, Vivien (Veedubs) 1720 e

Did Harikrishna already play a game? I missed that one

Nick Burrows wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:24 pm

Did Harikrishna already play a game? I missed that one

Played against us (Blackthorne Russia)

do we know if there is going to be a 2nd season?

John Reyes wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:36 pm

do we know if there is going to be a 2nd season?

Yes. The 4NCL website shows the team rankings for season 2: http://www.4ncl.co.uk/data/Season_1_Onl ... h_Rank.pdf

LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:11 pm

Yes. The 4NCL website shows the team rankings for season 2

Would new teams always come in at the bottom?

Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:59 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:11 pm

Yes. The 4NCL website shows the team rankings for season 2

Would new teams always come in at the bottom?

That's my understanding yes, including any teams who withdrew during the recently completed league.

LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:15 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:59 pm

Would new teams always come in at the bottom?

That's my understanding yes, including any teams who withdrew during the recently completed league.

Awkward. No? Won't this make Div 5 hugely lop-sided; and thereafter, Div 4 etc, as strong teams (including new entrants) work their way through?

David Robertson wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:01 pm

LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:15 pm

Roger de Coverly wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:59 pm

Would new teams always come in at the bottom?

That's my understanding yes, including any teams who withdrew during the recently completed league.

Awkward. No? Won't this make Div 5 hugely lop-sided; and thereafter, Div 4 etc, as strong teams (including new entrants) work their way through?

Definitely.

If the ratings given in the results of the recent Finals are to be believed then the 1st season was already lopsided since the team that won Div. 4 had a higher average rating (2044) than the teams that were runners-up in Div. 3 (2021) & Div. 2 (2025).

In the 2nd season any new or rejoining team with an average rating of 2000+ could start in Div. 4 to avoid more lopsidedness than is necessary.

The problem of gross inequalities of strength (ie lopsidedness) is that, apart from the damage to sporting competitiveness, there's a colossal disincentive for strong teams to enter, or for further teams from existing entrants. As understood, such fresh entrants would be asked to spend their time wasting their time in Div 5. Who would? It may not matter much if we put the plague behind us by next Spring. But if, as I suspect and fear, we're looking at a more distant time horizon, it may come to matter. So there's the problem. Solutions, I'll leave to Alex Holowczak

David Robertson wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:43 pm

The problem of gross inequalities of strength (ie lopsidedness) is that, apart from the damage to sporting competitiveness, there's a colossal disincentive for strong teams to enter, or for further teams from existing entrants. As understood, such fresh entrants would be asked to spend their time wasting their time in Div 5. Who would? It may not matter much if we put the plague behind us by next Spring. But if, as I suspect and fear, we're looking at a more distant time horizon, it may come to matter. So there's the problem. Solutions, I'll leave to Alex Holowczak

Maybe we need a Division Three North

How many points North of the existing Div. 3 might that be?

LawrenceCooper wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:58 pm

David Robertson wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:43 pm

The problem of gross inequalities of strength (ie lopsidedness) is that, apart from the damage to sporting competitiveness, there's a colossal disincentive for strong teams to enter, or for further teams from existing entrants. As understood, such fresh entrants would be asked to spend their time wasting their time in Div 5. Who would? It may not matter much if we put the plague behind us by next Spring. But if, as I suspect and fear, we're looking at a more distant time horizon, it may come to matter. So there's the problem. Solutions, I'll leave to Alex Holowczak

Maybe we need a Division Three North